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Originally posted by shockwaves
The Giants, until someone else proves otherwise, are the NFL\'s most underrated team.

I will be the first to disagree.  The Giants had a bad season last year, but we\'re one or two players away from being a good team.  The Lions on the other hand were completely inferior at almost every position last year, this was due to inexperience mostly.

A year later, the Giants are doing what they should be doing, with Warner and Barber.  Tell me this, besides Harrington, how many detroit players are household names?  None.  The Lions did a great job in the draft the past three years, and are 3-1 beating the previously undefeated Falcons, the Lions are the most underrated team.

Anybody else watching this monday night game right now?

This is the worst officiating I\'ve ever seen... Seriously.



I bet the NFL pressured the ref\'s into not letting there be ANOTHER monday night blowout.

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Conspiracy theory.

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Yes, indeed. Farve is pathetic tonight, he has thrown two INT - three if you count the one BAD call. Packer defense is even more pathetic.

here\'s a better question...

why can\'t we have GOOD Monday Night Football games?

I mean, I know that these decisions are made before the season, but Greenbay has already had two Monday night games.  Meanwhile the Seahawks, Colts, Jets, and Pats get no love on the Monday night scene.

Monday night football should have a tentative schedule and they should put the most important games on Monday nights.

The Boston Sports Guy made a good suggestion where they would schedule two monday night games and ABC would pick which game to broadcast nationally based on relevance. A lot of people make plans months in advance when it comes to the NFL so making a schedule tentative just isn\'t viable.

For example, My uncle has had Pat\'s season tickets for a LONG time and he always makes a point to go to one road game during the season and ALWAYS picks Monday Night Road games(if available). He has to plan the trip in advance to make sure logistics are straight and he couldn\'t do that on a tentative schedule.

Originally posted by The Hurricane
I will be the first to disagree.  The Giants had a bad season last year, but we\'re one or two players away from being a good team.  The Lions on the other hand were completely inferior at almost every position last year, this was due to inexperience mostly.

A year later, the Giants are doing what they should be doing, with Warner and Barber.  Tell me this, besides Harrington, how many detroit players are household names?  None.  The Lions did a great job in the draft the past three years, and are 3-1 beating the previously undefeated Falcons, the Lions are the most underrated team.

How many Lions are household names?  Depends, are you a college sports fan?  Their team is younger, but with those two first rounders, they were hyped a lot more than the Giants.  The only player on the Giants who got any hype during the offseason is on the bench right now.

As for playing up to their potential, tell that to the experts.  CBS sportsline had them ranked last entering the season.  And seriously, this is a team that went 4-12 last year and replacing Collins with Warner was the only big change.  Besides that, they lost starters or replaced them with comparale guys, and didn\'t actually upgrade anywhere.

As for Detroit, I would claim that they are not as good as the Giants right now.  They beat undefeated Atlanta, but that\'s the only good team they\'ve beaten.  Chicago and Houston?  Not exactly that hard.  As for the Falcons, I\'d say if you watched that game, they really wanted to lose it.  How many times did they put the ball on the ground, 4?  When you\'re given that, you better win.

Right now I think the Cardinals could beat the Packers...they looked awful.

It seems that Kurt Warner has made alot of believers out of his haters/disbelievers.  Yet some still refuse to give him any credit.  Excuses excuses.  They say oh that was a bad team or oh they slept through the Giants but the results don\'t lie.

As for you Warner haters who say dont mention Manning in the same sentence as Warner, well, lets see.  Peyton Manning in his 6th season is 1-2 in the playoffs, including a 41-0 loss and a 3 INT loss,  I dont think he ever led the league in TD passes,  and has only coMVP honors.  Not to mention he has played with those recievers for 5+years now and has the maybe the best 1-2-3 reciever combo in the NFL.  They seem to be wide open on every play.  Sure,  Warner\'s receivers got open alot too,  but look at the stats he layed down.  Considerably better than Mannings

Kurt Warner on the other hand

First season as a starter led league in TD passes,  won the super bowl, and league mvp honors.

Third season once again led the league in TD passes,  won MVP honors,  came back from a deficit in the 4th qtr to tie the game with 2 minutes left only for his defense to blow his chances for MVP by letting and a second superbowl in 3 years by letting Brady get a field goal.

2002 was a tough season,  like the season Favre is going through now.  But unlike Favre,  everybody said Warner is washed up.  But as for Favre everybody says oh he;ll be fine.  Very Bias.

2003 Warner throws for 342 yds.  The game is marred byhim fumbling 6 times in the first half after receiving a concussion.  After half time he is fine,  doesnt fumble,  and goes something like 17-23 for 200 yds.  Yet he is benched for the player favorite, Bulger.

2004:  QB rating over 90 (he is the NFL\'s highest rated passer in history) only 1 int and a completion percentage of 65%.

Hes getting it done

Also Warner has a better personality than Manning,  Peyton.  Manning rolls his eyes at recievers when they drop the ball,  etc.  And he seems to only spend time with Marvin harrison,  always setting next to him on the bench etc.  Not to mention Mike Vanderjagt\'s comments on how he didnt really care when the Jets whipped him 41-0 in the playoffs.

As for the green bay refs,  I spoke about them a year ago in a post like this.  They played the vikings at home.  I said the refs are bias at home to green bay and my comments where shrugged off.  Trust me,  lambou advantage is really the referee advantage.  

All that time of yours wasted.  It\'s as simple as watching them both play to see which is better.

Kurt Warner has resurected his career that was in shambles all credit to him, I\'m loving that he brought the Giants from the cellar to 4-1, but theres antoher um 11 games to be played don\'t count your chickens too soon, Warner better Peyton, thats just funny.

Oh, anyone heard of Roy Williams boy is the shiznit. Ok, so only reason I\'ve heard of him is cuz he went to UT, but the boy was a Heisman Candidate, thats a household name to alot, a household name would be Jordan, I wouldn\'t consider even Harrington a household name.

Go Pats, sunday vs. seattle.

I didnt say Warner was better at the moment.  I said he had better seasons and accomplished more in 3 years than Manning has in 6.

Also,  Warner is playing with a new team,  offense, coach, and a horrid offensive line.  No way you can compare manning to warner at this time.  I didnt even try to

I compared their past

Warner in 99 or 01 or even 00 was better than manning any of his seasons

Unfair to say warner is so bad he shouldnt be mentioned in same sentence as peyton for all he accomplished in the past and his accomplishing now

Props to Mannning ,  hes having a stellar season,  but I would like to see him play in a conservative offense with a new coach recievers and a bad o line,  the same thing warner is doing now,  and see how good he does

giants will go 10-6 or 11-5

I also see Warner as a cowboy or a raven next year

Were talking about two different QB\'s in two different parts of their careers, it\'s kind of an unfair argument.

So true Hurricane. Put Manning in that system with Faulk and those 3 WR\'s he would have broken so many records its not even funny. Peyton Manning doesn\'t play defense so you can\'t fault him for that, Warner was in a great situation and kudo\'s for him taking advantage of that, but I\'d take a 2-3 year NFL experienced Manning over Warner any part of his career.