Ok, let me explain this to you piece by piece.
Originally posted by alliswell
I could say the offensive line played poorly, I could say those INTS werent really bad throws, I could say this I could say that, but I won\'t
The offensive line is bad. You\'re right. That is EXACTLY why Kurt Warner is not the man for this job. The man has no pocket awareness at all, and that cost them two turnovers. If you\'re gonna be playing behind a subpar offensive line, you need to see the rush, and you need to have a better clock in your head that he has. And at least one of those INT\'s WAS a bad throw.
The simple fact is the Giants are 5-3. Kurt Warner has said many times that he is still not comfortable in the Giant offense. And yet the Giants are 5-3, the 5th best record in the NFC.
They have that record, yes, but it\'s not Warner who got them there. He\'s sharing the backfield with the best running back in the NFL right now statistically, and an MVP candidate.
Warner said it himself, that he plays one subpar game and now everybody wants to pull him. He said he wasnt surprised.
There is NO WAY you can pull Warner until the Giants hit .500. I dont know why in the world anyone would pull a QB after a 1 TD 2int 21 point performance who has the team at 5-3 and in playoff contention. Once again, Until Warner hits .500, no way you pull him.
Kurt Warner isn\'t being pulled cause he had one bad game. He should be pulled because he has had more awful games than great games. That game was awful. 2 INT\'s, 2 fumbles lost, 7 sacks, a rating around 50. But then look at his other games. He has never thrown more than one TD in a game. He has never thrown for 300 yards. And in the last 3 games, he hasn\'t been sacked less than 5 times. That is not just the offensive line\'s fault. His TD/INT ratio is nearly 1/1. His QB rating is around the middle of the pack and has been dropping every week. His passing touchdowns are worst among any NFC starter. Dead last from anyone starting all year. Behind Josh McCown, behind Brian Griese who has had half the playing time. Behing Mark Brunell. I mean, come on. The Giants are 11th in the NFC in passing. Were they not 3rd in rushing and 3rd in scoring defense, they would not be going anywhere. There is no way you can argue they are where they are because of Warner.
You think putting Eli in there is going to help? Didnt you see him in the preseason vs the Jets? 2 ints, 0.0 QB rating, and a fumble returned for a touchdown? You want to put this guy in control of a playoff bound team?
You guys are way too quick to pull the trigger.
Yes, yes I do want to put Eli in control of the team. I don\'t care about simply making the playoffs this year, because we have no shot of winning. I would like it, but it\'s not the number one. I want Eli in there because he is the future. I want Eli in there because he has so much more potential than Warner. I want Eli in there because until the season started, Drew Brees and Brian Griese looked awful too. I want him in there because of Ben Roethlisberger. I want him in there because without him, we\'re middle of the pack, and with him, who knows.
And you talk about not judging Warner by one bad game...don\'t judge Eli by one bad PRESEASON game. For other preseason games he looked better than Warner.
And as for pulling the trigger, it\'s not like we\'re making a shocker of a decision here. Warner will lose his job to Eli. The questions is just when.
And Shockwaves, teams/players are going to have off days. Both your New York teams are headed to the playoffs. Why trash them after one game?
This is where you are the most wrong of all. The Jets are headed to the playoffs. The Giants...that is very far from certain. We are 5-3, and we have a much harder second half schedule. Atlanta, Philly, Washington, Baltimore, Pittsburgh...I believe that\'s a 5 game stretch we have. Four of those five teams should be in the playoffs. Add to that the fact that we lost both our starting DE\'s last week, something that will really hurt the defense. Strahan especially. We are where we are now because of our running and defense, and one of those things is really hurting now. The playoffs are far from certain. And besides, so far we\'ve beaten what...one playoff team? One team with a winning record? That\'s what I thought.
I keep hearing how Drew Brees took chargers from worst record in league to 6-3, but remember Warner took Giants from 4-12 last season to 5-3 this year with a playoff birth a real possibility, and yet he gets no respect but all the blame from everyone. It looks like Warner is the scapegoat for everyone\'s problems. Rams blame him even though now you can see that defense and coaching staff stinks, Giants blame him for everything. Sad thing is, he lost only by 7 points and everyone thinks its the end of the world. The Rams lost to the Dolphins. Did they call for Bulger\'s head?
Once again, it\'s because Warner hasn\'t done anything amazing all year. Drew Brees and Kurt Warner aren\'t even comparable. Warner has a QB rating under 85. Brees has one over 105. If you\'re saying Warner should be getting the same praise, you\'re blind to the reality of the situation. Brees has thrown about more than three times more three times the touchdown passes, and thrown fewer INT\'s. All this with much worse WR\'s. I mean really, who are the WR\'s there? Besides McCardell who they just got, there isn\'t a WR on that team that has ever even come close to 1000 yards. Not only that, but he lost his best WR in the beginning of the season to injury, and that didn\'t slow him at all.
Just calm down and give it time. If Warner continues to turn the ball over and it is his fault they drop to .500, fine, bring Manning in. Until then, all talk about a QB change is just talk
See, that\'s the thing. We don\'t have a shot at the playoffs with our ending schedule if we drop that far. I don\'t want to wait for him to blow it, I want to get him out of there before he does.
