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Offline Ace
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« on: October 11, 2004, 08:49:15 AM »
This is why I fear a Kerry presidency. I just don\'t think he gets it.

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush\'s campaign announced Sunday its plans to use as the basis of a new commercial a quote from an 8,000-word New York Times Magazine article about Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry.

The parsing prompted the Kerry camp to retort that the soon-to-be-released Bush ad was another example of the president\'s campaign taking words out of context to create a misleading impression.

In the magazine article, a largely analytical cover story by Matt Bai, Kerry is asked "what it would take for Americans to feel safe again." (Special Report: America Votes 2004)

\'\'We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they\'re a nuisance,\'\' the article states as the Massachusetts senator\'s reply.

\'\'As a former law enforcement person, I know we\'re never going to end prostitution. We\'re never going to end illegal gambling. But we\'re going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn\'t on the rise. It isn\'t threatening people\'s lives every day, and fundamentally, it\'s something that you continue to fight, but it\'s not threatening the fabric of your life.\'\'

Kerry was a prosecutor before he got into politics, and made fighting organized crime a priority.

Bush campaign Chairman Marc Racicot, in an appearance on CNN\'s "Late Edition," interpreted Kerry\'s remarks as saying "that the war on terrorism is like a nuisance. He equated it to prostitution and gambling, a nuisance activity. You know, quite frankly, I just don\'t think he has the right view of the world. It\'s a pre-9/11 view of the world."

Republican Party Chairman Ed Gillespie, on CBS\' "Face the Nation," used similar language.

"Terrorism is not a law enforcement matter, as John Kerry repeatedly says. Terrorist activities are not like gambling. Terrorist activities are not like prostitution. And this demonstrates a disconcerting pre-September 11 mindset that will not make our country safer. And that is what we see relative to winning the war on terror and relative to Iraq."

The Bush-Cheney campaign also announced it was releasing an ad highlighting Kerry\'s comment.

Reuters reported that the new Bush commercial\'s script asks "How can Kerry protect us when he doesn\'t understand the threat?"

Kerry campaign spokesman Phil Singer called the Republican charges "absolutely ridiculous."

"This is yet another example of the Bush campaign taking John Kerry\'s words out of context, and then blowing it up into something that is nothing," he said.

"The whole article is about how John Kerry recognizes that the war on terror requires a multipronged approach. It\'s not just the military aspect, but you need diplomacy to be able to enlist your allies. The Bush people have never understood that. John Kerry has always said that terrorism is the No. 1 threat to the U.S."

Kerry consistently has rejected assertions that he underestimates the threat of terrorism or views the battle against it as solely a law enforcement matter. He argues that law enforcement and intelligence are critical elements of the battle against terrorism, and that Bush has said the same thing.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who was chairman of the Democratic National Convention, where Kerry got his party\'s nomination in July, said on "Late Edition," "Senator Kerry has said that the No. 1 threat to America is international terrorism, al Qaeda."



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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2004, 09:35:44 AM »
I agree with what Kerry said (not what the Republicans said he said) 100%  I don\'t understand what the problem is with this statement.  Perhaps you could explain, Ace?
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\'\'We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they\'re a nuisance,\'\' the article states as the Massachusetts senator\'s reply.

\'\'As a former law enforcement person, I know we\'re never going to end prostitution. We\'re never going to end illegal gambling. But we\'re going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn\'t on the rise. It isn\'t threatening people\'s lives every day, and fundamentally, it\'s something that you continue to fight, but it\'s not threatening the fabric of your life.\'\'
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2004, 09:48:45 AM »
Kerry is the only candidate that could blow and suck at the same time. I know that seems improbable....but Kerry could manage to disrupt the space/time continueum.

If you want to save the universe, don\'t vote for him. :)
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2004, 09:50:43 AM »
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Kerry is the only candidate that could blow and suck at the same time. I know that seems improbable....but Kerry could manage to disrupt the space/time continueum.

If you want to save the universe, don\'t vote for him. :)
Okaaaayyyy.... Whatever that means....
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2004, 09:57:21 AM »
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Okaaaayyyy.... Whatever that means....


It means vote for Bush, ya big dummy! :p
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2004, 11:21:13 AM »
I think Kerry just doesn\'t understand what we are fighting and if play around with these guys like the corner crack whore prostitute we are gonna get it on the chin again. It\'s not a law enforcement issue IMO. That also says to me that we wait for the law to be broken (like most crimes) and then we move to get the bad guys. I don\'t think we should wait
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2004, 11:50:34 AM »
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I think Kerry just doesn\'t understand what we are fighting and if play around with these guys like the corner crack whore prostitute we are gonna get it on the chin again. It\'s not a law enforcement issue IMO. That also says to me that we wait for the law to be broken (like most crimes) and then we move to get the bad guys. I don\'t think we should wait
I don\'t think that\'s what he said at all.  I think you\'re reading something else into it.  The gist of his answer is that we need to attack this problem of Terrorism vigorously until it is reduced and weakened to the point where it is no longer evokes a life-threatening fear in our day-to-day lives.  He\'s acknowledging that terrorism can never be absolutely eradicated, but it can be beaten down through strong effort and continued vigilence.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2004, 11:52:38 AM »
The day we start thinking about terrorism like we did on 9/10 we are in trouble again.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2004, 11:57:05 AM »
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Kerry is the only candidate that could blow and suck at the same time. I know that seems improbable....but Kerry could manage to disrupt the space/time continueum.

If you want to save the universe, don\'t vote for him. :)

Im sure you would feel more comfortable with somebody like Bob Dole then huh?

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2004, 12:17:59 PM »
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The day we start thinking about terrorism like we did on 9/10 we are in trouble again.
Kerry isn\'t saying we need to address the problem of terrorism the same way we did prior to 9/11/01.  He\'s saying we need to reduce the threat sufficiently so that people can feel safe again.  What\'s wrong with that?

You must admit that Marc Racicot and Ed Gillespie deliberately misstated what Kerry was trying to say.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2004, 12:44:43 PM »
The problem with Kerry is he keep eluding to some plan - on just about everything from terrorism to health care, but he won\'t give specifics.  About the only thing he did say about Iraq was he was going "to train more Iraqis" - uh the Bush administration has been doing that.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2004, 01:03:24 PM »
Terrorists are a huge nuisance.

Harim Ma\'jed, my roommate, for instance. ****er keeps forgetting to buy milk!
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2004, 02:23:15 PM »
Those debates don\'t allow much time for explaining plans. For Iraq, he also mentioned tightening control of the borders and looking to bring more allies to the table. I assume he means both monetarily and physically.

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2004, 07:54:56 PM »
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Haha...that\'s where you go for his plans.


TEL AVIV, Israel - The war in Iraq (news - web sites) did not damage international terror groups, but instead distracted the United States from confronting other hotbeds of Islamic militancy and actually "created momentum" for many terrorists, a top Israeli security think tank said in a report released Monday.

   

President Bush (news - web sites) has called the war in Iraq an integral part of the war on terrorism, saying that deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) hoped to develop unconventional weapons and could have given them to Islamic militants across the world.


But the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University said that instead of striking a blow against Islamic extremists, the Iraq war "has created momentum for many terrorist elements, but chiefly al-Qaida and its affiliates."


Jaffee Center director Shai Feldman said the vast amount of money and effort the United States has poured into Iraq has deflected attention and assets from other centers of terrorism, such as Afghanistan (news - web sites).


The concentration of U.S. intelligence assets in Iraq "has to be at the expense of being able to follow strategic dangers in other parts of the world," he said.


Shlomo Brom, a retired Israeli army general, said the U.S.-led effort was strategically misdirected. If the goal in the war against terrorism is "not just to kill the mosquitos but to dry the swamp," he said, "now it\'s quite clear" that Iraq "is not the swamp."


Instead, he said, the Iraq campaign is having the opposite effect, drawing Islamic extremists from other parts of the world to join the battle.


"On a strategic level as well as an operational level," Brom concluded, "the war in Iraq is hurting the war on international terrorism."


In other findings, Jaffee Center experts disagreed with the Israeli government\'s statements that its four-year struggle against Palestinian militants is part of the world fight against Islamic terrorism.


Yoram Schweitzer, who wrote the chapter about the Iraq war, said the local conflict is a "national struggle," while international Islamic militant groups like al-Qaida target not only Israel but also the entire Western world.


After interviewing Palestinian militants, including some in prison, Schweitzer said they do not consider themselves part of the al-Qaida campaign. "Many of them are critical of Al-Qaida and its methods," he told a news conference.


The Jaffee report found that Israel has succeeded in reducing Palestinian violence against Israelis.


Feldman said the motivation of Palestinian militants to attack the country remained unchanged, but praised the work of military intelligence in preventing many attacks.


"The only reason these (anti-terror) operations succeed is that we have better intelligence," he said.


Feldman said the weekend attacks in the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula aimed at places where Israelis gather did not figure in to the assessment. Thirteen Israelis were among at least 34 people killed in two car bomb attacks Thursday.


"We regard the attacks in the Sinai in a different category," he said, likening it to an attack at a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, last year that killed 10, including three Israelis.


The report includes statistical breakdowns of the military forces and their capabilities in the Middle East, as well as analyses of regional issues.



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041011/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_terrorism



And that first post with Kerry\'s quote is BS. The GOP have been working their ass off so damn much at misenterpreting quotes and only using some of the quotes that it\'s very noticeable.

And doesn\'t that compare to what the Bush people tried to do after 9/11? Didn\'t they call out to the people that they should live their normal lives? Didn\'t they say to not worry about it and keep on doing what they\'re doing?...That is until they raised the terrorism alert to orange :sarcasm:


Bush said you can\'t win the fight on terrorism. Kerry just got smarter with it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2004, 07:56:51 PM »
WASHINGTON (AP) -- More than two-thirds of the people living in Australia, Britain and Italy -- three countries allied with the United States in the Iraq war -- believe the war has increased the threat of terrorism.

Leaders of those countries -- prime ministers Tony Blair of Britain, John Howard of Australia and Silvio Berlusconi of Italy -- all get low marks from their people for their handling of the war on terrorism, an Associated Press-Ipsos poll shows.

More than half of those in the United States, 52 percent, believe the Iraq war has increased the threat of terrorism, while three in 10 in the United States think it has decreased the threat -- a view promoted by President Bush.

"In the context of the presidential campaign in the United States, this is undeniably a blow for George W. Bush, since it shows that a majority of Americans don\'t agree with the main justification for his policy in Iraq," said Gilles Corman, research director at Ipsos-Inra of Belgium, who studies public opinion trends across Europe.

In Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Spain, a majority thought last winter that the Iraq war was increasing the threat of terrorism. That number has increased in each of the countries. Australians were not polled in the AP-Ipsos project last winter.

In Australia and each of five European countries polled, only about one in 20 believe the Iraq war decreased the terror threat.

Leaders of several countries that opposed the Iraq war get strong ratings from their citizens on how they are handling terrorism.

Political leaders in the Iraq war coalition have faced domestic political pressure because of their stance on Iraq.


Howard won re-election Saturday despite criticism in Australia of his support for the Iraq war. The public was evenly divided on Howard\'s handling of terrorism, with only 44 percent approving, but he apparently was helped by Australia\'s strong economy.


Bush faces the voters again in early November in a campaign that is increasingly focused on Iraq, with public doubts about the impact of the Iraq war on the terrorism fight.


In Britain, the poll found only one-third approve of Blair\'s handling of the war on terror. Friday\'s announcement of the beheading in Iraq of British hostage Kenneth Bigley is likely to increase pressure on Blair.


Berlusconi has seen Italians\' fears of terrorism increase sharply since last winter -- from seven in 10 worried about terrorism in February to almost nine in 10 now. Only about one-third of Italians approve of Berlusconi\'s handling of terrorism. Two Italian women taken hostage in Iraq were freed last month, and an Iraqi who lived in Italy was executed by kidnappers in Iraq early this month. Berlusconi has pledged to lead the country until the end of his term in 2006.

In contrast, the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Mexico and Spain all get high marks for their handling of terrorism, with a majority in each country saying they approve, according to polls conducted for the AP by Ipsos, an international polling firm.

French President Jacques Chirac, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Mexican President Vicente Fox and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero have all publicly opposed the U.S.-led war in Iraq. Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin has been less outspoken in his criticism of the war than some of the European leaders, but Canada didn\'t send troops to Iraq.

The leaders position on the Iraq war is only one of many factors that could affect public perception of their handling of terrorism.

Heightened feeling of insecurity
"The proportion of people worried by the terrorist threat has increased in most of the countries ... since February," said Corman of Ipsos in Belgium. "People feel more and more insecure."

Fears of terrorism increased in seven of the eight countries polled last winter and again this fall.

Only in Germany did those worries ease this year. Terrorism fears were high early this year after the killing of 14 German tourists in 2002 at a Tunisian resort and the revelation that some September 11 hijackers were part of a terror cell in Hamburg.

But public debate in Germany this year has focused on reforms of the social system, labor regulations and the health-care system, moving discussion of terrorism out of the spotlight, said Christian Holst, director of public affairs for Ipsos-Germany.

Overall, terrorism and the war in Iraq are likely to stay at the center of public debate in most of the European countries in coming months, said Pierre Giacometti, chief executive and co-director of Ipsos.

The AP-Ipsos telephone polls of about 1,000 adults in each of the eight countries except Mexico were taken between September 23 and October 2 and have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. The poll in Mexico of 1,030 adults was taken face-to-face from September 23-26 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/11/international.poll.ap/index.html


American\'s don\'t feel safer according to that report. And the leader\'s of the countries that form our coalition are taking much heat for the war. Doesn\'t look too good.


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