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Originally posted by SirMystiq
How can you say nobody is coming if we don\'t even try? It\'s not impossible to get more help in Iraq. This war is going no where fast. For every explosion in Iraq somebody dies and it\'s most of the time one of our troops. It\'s a war and people die? What has this war solved? What is the holistic purpose of this war compared to the war on terror?

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We have tried and even if Kerry wins France and Germany aren\'t coming.  Shroder even stated yesterday that Germany will not be sending troops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/14/international/europe/14germany.html

You fail to see the bigger picture Mystiq - and this is last time I am going to say this to you.  Would you rather fight terrorists here in the US or in Iraq?

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Bush changed his mind about the Department of Homeland Security and the 9/11 Commission. That\'s a fact. But how long did it take? A commision was set up right after the Kennedy assasination and the president didn\'t get in the way of it forming. Bush did. He stopped the commision from forming and didn\'t let it do it\'s job. He didn\'t change his mind because he wanted too, he was forced to and it was obvious to his lack of cooperation with the Commission. And even after the commission finished their job he refuses to endorse many of their ideas and he is just now opening up to them.

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The Kennedy Assasination and Homeland Security?  WTF?  Stop mixing apples and oranges.  It wasn\'t very long after he opposed creating the Department of Homeland Security and the 9/11 Commission that he changed his mind.  Lack of cooperation - I believe the commission got everything they wanted from the administration did they not?  He has endorsed their findings - you fail to realize not everything can be done in the blink of an eye.  

Originally posted by SirMystiq

I never proposed to invade any country. Compared to other threats Iraq was nothing. The war was rushed. Hussain was cooperating with the inspectors this time around because he had nothing to hide, he even gave up weapons he was ALLOWED to have! But appereantly this didn\'t make sense to Bush. He couldn\'t believe it. And what did he do? He went into this war with no clear plan in mind other than kill, remove and then plan. The recent report said that the sanctions WERE keeping Hussain in check and even though he was systematically trying to remove them, a longer inspection by the inspectors would of gave us a broader and much clearer view of what was going on.

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If Hussein (that is how you spell it by the way) had nothing to hide he could have been a lot more open about letting the inspectors go wherever he wanted.  He was not cooperating as you claim and your claim that sanctions "were keeping Hussein in check" is false.  Surely, you have heard of the Oil for Food Scandal?  Face it Mystiq you know nothing about foreign policy because if you did you would realize the UN is a hollow organization that can\'t enforce its own resolutions.

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Back in 2001? Rice and Powell both said that Iraq wasn\'t able to renew his weapons program because of the sanctions. Rice went as far to say that Hussains country is divided and wasn\'t even able to rebuild his army. Many people agreed with the war. Who wouln\'t? Who wouln\'t shiver at the sound of the words "mass destruction" and the continuous threat of danger? Iraq was shaped into a threat by the constant attacks at fear. Iraq was a threat but this war wasn\'t the best and only way to deal with it. The war on terror isn\'t about one man you\'re right. But this man was the one what attack us. If there is anything that would make anybody feel more secure was to kill or find the guy that showed us how weak our defenses really are. The guy who taught us a terrible lesson about our safety.

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When you quote someone of importance it is usually good to have a reference.  Since you didn\'t provide one - I will dismiss your claim that Rice and Powell both said Iraq wasn\'t able to renew its weapons program because of sanctions.

 

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Can you prove he wasn\'t in Tora Bora? Pure speculation. But we didn\'t take that opportunity to at least make sure of it. I would think that a criminal like Bin Laden should at least get some more attention when we have a guess of where he might be hiding.

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Like I said you don\'t deploy 100,000 troops to capture one man hiding in a cave.  The logistics in that would take so long he would be gone before even half that number was on the ground.  Since you and others such as Kerry can\'t prove he was in Tora Bora.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005754

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Do you honestly think that terrorism is going to end with the removal of Hussain who had nothing to do with anything? Do you belive that the war in Iraq has made us safer as a whole? Do you honestly think that the war in Iraq has caused terrorist to cease their plans to attack us?

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You seem to think it will end if we capture Bin Laden.  I do think the region will eventually be more stable with Hussein gone.  To claim he had nothing to do with anything shows your ignorance.  He violated UN Resolutions, he invaded a neighboring country, he launched missles at Israel, he sponsored suicide bombers in Palestine and harbored terrorists.  

The war in Iraq has diverted their attention to Iraq - not the US mainland.  I am sure there are a few cells plotting things for the US, but for every fanatic that goes to Iraq it is one less that could come here.

Originally posted by SirMystiq

It\'s not naive to say we aren\'t doing enough to find the criminal who murdered thousands. It\'s sad though because like Bush, you seem not to care or worry about it much.

Again Mystiq, the war on terror isn\'t about one man.  Get that through your thick head.  We already found one criminal who killed hundreds of thousands so I would say we are doing a pretty good job.

*Sees Anncoulter.org*

*Slowly backs away from thread*

Originally posted by Black Samurai
*Sees Anncoulter.org*

*Slowly backs away from thread*

LOL. That\'s what I should have done.  :surprised

Seems like a discussion started even with a biased article from the beauty Ann Coulter. That can\'t be all bad, now can it?

Those mile-long posts with all the consecutive quoted segments are exactly the kind of thing that puts me to sleep.  I can\'t even bear reading them, much less responding.

If others have more patience than I do, then that\'s cool.  However, I think they get tiring for those people too.  Here we have one gargantuan post by SirMystiq, and one response by Giga, and it\'s over.  Not a very enjoyable discussion in my opinion.

Why is it over?  I just always respond to Mystiq\'s ramblings - that doesn\'t mean others can\'t debate the points.  I agree Core - his posts are way too long and tiresome to read.  He can say what he has to say in two paragraphs, but instead uses seven in this case.

He also doesn\'t need to be cutting and pasting long ass articles to make his point.  Post an excerpt and then link it.

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Originally posted by Coredweller
Those mile-long posts with all the consecutive quoted segments are exactly the kind of thing that puts me to sleep.  I can\'t even bear reading them, much less responding.

If others have more patience than I do, then that\'s cool.  However, I think they get tiring for those people too.  Here we have one gargantuan post by SirMystiq, and one response by Giga, and it\'s over.  Not a very enjoyable discussion in my opinion.

so tru..i find myself just skimmiing over all that crap..even if they are valid points..i know i\'ve posted some long rants,..but these here are just waaay too long..

[SirMystiq]

My last post was shit. It was late at night and my computer died and I wasn\'t even sure if I had posted.


Anyways.


I\'ll trust the guy that says hes going to fix Iraq more than the guy who started the mess in Iraq.

It\'s sad though that Bush people are killing Kerry over the fact that he wants to get more cooperation from other countries. Are you just not willing to give the guy some hope? Shit, it\'s not his fault Bush screwed over every nation and now they don\'t want to participate.(Except for the UK who is know THINKING they might send some troops again-I don\'t see Bush doing much about encouraging) You bash on Kerry on his willingness to at least attempt to bring other nations into this mess but you turn a blind eye to the one who caused this problem!

Hypocrisy is a huge thing this days.


Bush didn\'t really oppose the commission?

White House Resisted Fully Funding: Time Magazine reported last year that the White House "brushed off" a request by Commission Chairman Tom Kean to boost the investigation\'s budget by $11 million, even though the Commission stated it could not complete the investigation without the funds.

White House Opposed Time Extension for Finishing Commission\'s Work: In January 2004, President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) opposed granting a two-month extension, even though Commission members said the extra time was necessary to finish their work. Two weeks later, after public outcry, the White House capitulated and announced on February 4, 2004, that it would allow the Commission to have the extra 60 days it needed.

and the list goes on...

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=124722


Blix repeately has said that Iraq was cooperating? Why are you so sure he wasn\'t? The 11 years he had of deceiving? Well, we didn\'t believe him now look at where we are today. Iraq was giving more time and even allowed inspectors to search the Palaces! MORE TIME?! It was the Bush administration who rushed into this. But now we just sit back and watch NK grow!

Now we have time for some reason. Now we can use diplomacy. Now the world seems to be real safe with Hussein gone. Yeah right.

"A UAV launched from a vessel off the American coast could reach hundreds of miles inland."
--Bush

Man, that must of been one scary thought. No wonder people backed up the Iraq war.

Powell and Rice said it.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

You can\'t prove Laden wasn\'t in Tora bora. So that goes nowhere.

The middle east is far from stable right now. We have countries that are building up their nuclear power and constant attacks on each other. That doesn\'t seem to stable. Hussein IN NOT the war on terror. There was NO holistic effect of this war except maybe freeing the Iraqis. That\'s about it, but let\'s not forget this war was never about freeing the Iraqis, that was an after excuse.

Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 and we know that for a fact. If those issues were such a problem why did we wait until after 9/11 to bring them up. Why didn\'t Bush bring it up earlier. Because he couln\'t and 9/11 was his time to shine to resurrect all of the accusations knowing that terrorism was in the back of everybody\'s mind and invading Iraq would be easy.

I KNOW THE WAR ON TERROR ISN\'T ABOUT ONE MAN!
But the way things look, it seems to me like the war on terror now is about one country.

WTF I can\'t even read that without getting a headache.  Learn how to quote Mystiq.  It is hard enough to read your dribble.

One thing I will point out - I need to prove the oil for food scandal?  Ever use google lazy ass?

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=oil+for+food+scandal&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-pull-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt

damn politics is so violent