Isn\'t this illegal?

Originally posted by videoholic
You\'ve strayed off topic, but I have to say, that no matter how you believe Bush got into office, I don\'t think the Democrats could have handled the war on terrorism.  THey would have turtled up and said woah is me.

Gore was the democratic candidate opposing Bush in the last election.  Is that such a great leap for me to assume that is who you were talking about?

Originally posted by clips
^^^clinton hit that pharmacy that was supposedly a front for bin laden\'s operations...not sure where it was,..but it was in direct response to that attack on the wtc...so to say that the clinton admin. didn\'t do anything is kinda foolish...

It was in Sudan and it was during the Lewinsky scandal and not during the first WTC attack...

Anyway, that attack did absolutely nothing and can\'t be compared to Afghanistan...

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Once again - who stole what election?  Recount after recount shows that Bush won or didn\'t you read that?  The Democrats are notorious for stealing elections.

You can\'t recount votes that were not allowed to be casted. With Bush winning Florida by 500+ votes and thousands of people(the vast majority being democrat and a disproportionate amount being african american) being taken off the voter rolls for various reasons, like committing felonies in the year 2007 and having a similar looking name to a known felon, I think it is pretty safe to say that the election was stolen.

The sad part is that the evidence was all there but the so called liberal media did not want to get their hands wet. This is stuff that was on the front page of the Guardian and on the BBC but got no mention in any American publications until months after the election was given to Bush. This isn\'t conspiracy theory stuff this is actual fact.

There was a "confidential" page from a contract between the State of Florida and the company hired to purge the voter lists that stated in plain english that they KNEW they were taking the vote away from thousands of innocent voters. When the director of the Florida Department of Elections sat down to do an interview, with the BBC, the reporter pulled out the confidential document to which the director promptly ripped off his microphone and ran 50 yards to his office and locked the door. The company that was hired to run the purge even CONFESSED.

Still, no one in the US media holds anyone accountable unless it sells papers.

BBC Story

Originally posted by Black Samurai
The sad part is that the evidence was all there but the so called liberal media did not want to get their hands wet. This is stuff that was on the front page of the Guardian and on the BBC but got no mention in any American publications until months after the election was given to Bush. This isn\'t conspiracy theory stuff this is actual fact.

The Guardian???  You use them to reinforce your assertion?  The same paper that tried to influence our election here by posting the addresses of Ohio residents so their readers could mail them trying to persuade them to vote for Kerry?  The paper thats dwindling readers are primarily disgruntled communists...  Greg Palast in your little video above is an investigative reporter for the Guardian... go figure.

I think that pretty much sums up the credibility of your references.

The Guardian is the sister paper of the Washington Post. Still, I guess it works to say that anything that has an opinion that differs from your own has no credibility. Its not like they said voting for Kerry is a sin because God/Jesus himself wouldn\'t vote for him. You know, cuz that would be bad and we ALL know how much more power a UK paper has than the mouthpieces for the fascist religious right.

The problem with Greg Palast? He is one of the most well respected investigative journalists in the world.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
The Guardian is the sister paper of the Washington Post. Still, I guess it works to say that anything that has an opinion that differs from your own has no credibility. Its not like they said voting for Kerry is a sin because God/Jesus himself wouldn\'t vote for him. You know, cuz that would be bad and we ALL know how much more power a UK paper has than the mouthpieces for the fascist religious right.

The problem with Greg Palast? He is one of the most well respected investigative journalists in the world.

The Guardian and Greg Palast.  A perfect match.  

The Guardian published an article in which the author expressed a plea for the assassination of Bush less than a week ago.  Yeah they are credible.  The Guardian is the joke of the UK - it is a socialist/communist mouthpiece with an ever shrinking readership.  Its views are far from the mainstream in the rest of the UK.    

BTW what the hell does religion have to do with this topic?  Please explain that one... considering religion has pretty much been invisible through this entire campaign.

Greg Palast...

http://www.gregpalast.com/

Yeah he has the respect of his fellow left wing nutjobs.  He is anti Bush and does not present things in an objective manner - just like you!  Take a look at his webpage - it almost makes me want to break out my tin foil hat. :rolleyes:  With an endorsement like this why would I take him seriously?

Michael Moore calls his reporting for BBC television \'courageous.\'

I said it in another post and I will say it here.  I back up my statements with the news - not propaganda and lies.  It might help if you did the same.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
BTW what the hell does religion have to do with this topic?  Please explain that one... considering religion has pretty much been invisible through this entire campaign.

I was talking about the religious right mouthpieces who say that a vote for Kerry is a sin and how they have a more negative affect on this election than a foreign newspaper telling someone else how to vote.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Yeah he has the respect of his fellow left wing nutjobs.  He is anti Bush and does not present things in an objective manner - just like you!  Take a look at his webpage - it almost makes me want to break out my tin foil hat. :rolleyes:  With an endorsement like this why would I take him seriously?

He is indeed anti-Bush just like he was anti-Clinton, anti-George H.W. Bush, and anti-Reagan. There is a reason he is disliked by both the republican and democratic parties. He exposes shit that they don\'t want exposed. But since you are a typical right wing sheep you take take typical right wing bullshit by the mouthful. Anyone who says ANYTHING bad about Bush must be a commie pinko liberal with no credibility.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I said it in another post and I will say it here.  I back up my statements with the news - not propaganda and lies.  It might help if you did the same.

Tell me exactly how a signed contract between Florida & this company and a confession from the private company itself is propaganda and lies. This is credible proven fact. You haven\'t backed up ANY of your statements. You just pull off the typical right-wing tactic of ignoring the information itself and trying to attack someone\'s credibility. There is NO news in your posts nor has there ever been. Your rebuttals always consist of a jab at someone\'s credibilty. ALWAYS. You NEVER take information at face value and either refute it or give factual information about why it is not accurate. I have never read a story from Greg Palast that could not be backed up with factual information. Hey but he is a commie tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist so whatever. :rolleyes:

Countdown to a post linking to a canned statement from the Florida government......
5 4 3 2.......

Originally posted by Black Samurai


Tell me exactly how a signed contract between Florida & this company and a confession from the private company itself is propaganda and lies. This is credible proven fact. You haven\'t backed up ANY of your statements. You just pull off the typical right-wing tactic of ignoring the information itself and trying to attack someone\'s credibility. There is NO news in your posts nor has there ever been. Your rebuttals always consist of a jab at someone\'s credibilty. ALWAYS. You NEVER take information at face value and either refute it or give factual information about why it is not accurate. I have never read a story from Greg Palast that could not be backed up with factual information. Hey but he is a commie tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist so whatever. :rolleyes:

Countdown to a post linking to a canned statement from the Florida government......
5 4 3 2.......

This is turning into a great urban legend - Blacks disenfranchised in Florida... :rolleyes:

Voting for Kerry is a sin coming from the religious right?  I thought that was coming from the Catholic Church?  I live in the Bible Belt and I haven\'t heard anyone say voting for him would be a sin.  Foreign papers and countries trying to influence the election are 10 times more offensive IMO.  

Leftist and MSM can not be trusted to report the truth - this election is a perfect example and I have backed up my assertions with facts - that is what logical people do.  The left will do anything - and I mean anything to win.  You are correct - I no longer take anything at face value especially when it comes from sources which have been caught embellishing or fabricating stories in the past.

You are correct - I no longer take anything at face value especially when it comes from sources which have been caught embellishing or fabricating stories in the past.

...except if it\'s a source who\'s opinion you agree with.  Such as Matt Drudge?  You have been posting heaps of Drudge BS here for weeks, yet wasn\'t Drudge the one who made such a big deal about the Kerry / Intern extramarital affair that turned out to be false?  How many of his reports do you think are unverified inflammatory falsehoods spewed on to his website simply to get attention and express his own personal rage?  Are you going to tell me that HE is a worthy and reliable source, when his stories are based on anonymous tips and unchecked facts?

Did I post that story Core?  Drudge is an excellent source of information - even the MSM uses it on occasion.  He broke the story about the fake CBS guard documents.  Just like a liberal you don\'t like hearing both sides of any given story.  Drudge and Fox both post stories that show the Bush administration in good and bad light.  ABC, CBS, The NYT, The Guardian and Greg Palast have one slant.  I dare you to prove me otherwise.  They never report the good - only the bad.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Did I post that story Core?  Drudge is an excellent source of information - even the MSM uses it on occasion.  He broke the story about the fake CBS guard documents.  Just like a liberal you don\'t like hearing both sides of any given story.  Drudge and Fox both post stories that show the Bush administration in good and bad light.  ABC, CBS, The NYT, The Guardian and Greg Palast have one slant.  I dare you to prove me otherwise.  They never report the good - only the bad.

Matt Drudge is notorious for his "exclusives" that are generally unfounded and inflammatory. To say that he somehow unbiased may be the most ridiculous statement ever made. Greg Palast on the other hand is biased against corrupt politicians. You seem to have a selective memory so you don\'t know about all of the investigative reports he published about the Clintons. This guy was exposing fraud and underhanded tactics about Clinton when the rest of the media was obsessed with Monica\'s panties. At the time he was being quoted by many people on the right and now that he has moved on to the current administration he is looked at as a left wing hack.

Why do people on the right wing see everything as black and white? The world does not function in black and white there are MANY shades of gray.

"If you aren\'t with us you are with the terrorists!" -- Bush, 2001

I mean. That is the kind of thing that Hitler used to say.

Originally posted by Coredweller
They would have attacked Afghanistan with a larger force, and quite possibly have captured Osama Bin Laden.  They would have NOT attacked Iraq, and we would all be better off.  You can call that "turtling up" if you want, but I\'m all for it.

 

Yeah, let me borrow that crystal ball when you\'re done with it.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Did I post that story Core?  Drudge is an excellent source of information - even the MSM uses it on occasion.  He broke the story about the fake CBS guard documents.  Just like a liberal you don\'t like hearing both sides of any given story.  Drudge and Fox both post stories that show the Bush administration in good and bad light.  ABC, CBS, The NYT, The Guardian and Greg Palast have one slant.  I dare you to prove me otherwise.  They never report the good - only the bad.

Just like a liberal?! LOL HAHAHAHAHAHA

Am sure conservatives critically analyze Bush and what he has done and they are very open to new and innovatice ideas!

Uh they do - just ask Ace.