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« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2004, 05:10:32 AM »
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You have YET to show me anything to suggest that there is NOT a bias. You can say "The sky is red" but that don\'t mean shit when I can look for myself and see that the god damn sky is blue. That just shows that I know what the f*ck I\'m talking about; because instead of playing the bellend role like yourself I actually AM looking at information independantly and critically. If that makes me a liberal than sign me the f*ck up.


 It is a damn survey.  If a government agency asks someone "Have you used illicit drugs in the past year?", how many are going to actually answer honestly????  Seriously

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How would YOU explain the disparity in the numbers?


See above.

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Conservatives have been on the wrong side of 99.99999% of the significant arguments in the history of mankind. I don\'t expect them to start getting shit right now.


Who is talking out their ass?  Where are you facts to back this claim up?
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« Reply #61 on: December 01, 2004, 05:15:27 AM »
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How fun these debates are.

Rarely do we get anywhere.

Giga, vid, mj, vs. the rest of the CE posters - gotta love it.

Its like watching reruns for the first time.

meh.

its 5 in the morning.

Give me a break.


But Nicon, where else can one debate without getting spammed or having the rest of the forum echo your thoughts?  That is the great thing about this forum... both sides have a voice.

I also think this forum is a little more evenly divided than you portray.  I could be wrong, but THX, Bozco, Ace, Ashford, Gman and Titan tend to lean to the conservative side going by the content of their posts.
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« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2004, 05:30:27 AM »
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 That makes us a critical thinkers.


You a critical thinker??? :laughing::laughing:  I still don\'t believe you can actually think, let alone critically.

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Colleges aren\'t "liberal" It\'s the new generation. Maybe because we can see past our own world and actually realize that there are people around us.


Colleges are the bastion for liberal indoctrination.  They indoctrinate rather than educate.  This proves you can\'t think... critical thinker... :laughing:

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And that fronpage magazine...
LOL

Did I just see books on the left side such as:

How to talk to a liberal...if you must?
Unfit for command
The friend of my enemy is my enemy

Seriously Giga. You can\'t take biased reports and turn them into fact.


How to Talk to a Liberal (if you must) - Currently Number 5 on the NY Times Best Seller List - and it is non fiction... something you wouldn\'t know about.

Unfit for Command - Prior to the election was Number 1 on the NY Times Best Seller List...

Besides, Frontpage is a conservative website - that is why you see conservative books being advertised on it.  

The article is credible for an op/ed piece.  You can\'t even tell me what doesn\'t make it factual...  come on critical thinker... :laughing:
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« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2004, 10:55:38 AM »
What the FUC K is up with all the FUC KING profanity and hostility?

Debate with some FUC KING respect and stop saying people are talking "out of their ass" or "moron this", "dumbass that".

Quit FUC KING cursing and just debate without the FUC KING insults...

ASSHOLES!

:p

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Oh, and I\'m neither conservative or liberal. I\'m more of a flip-flopper. I go a certain way, depending on the issue.

Against the Iraq War, for the Patriot Act, pro Choice, just to name a few...
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« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2004, 11:56:16 PM »
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But Nicon, where else can one debate without getting spammed or having the rest of the forum echo your thoughts?  That is the great thing about this forum... both sides have a voice.

I also think this forum is a little more evenly divided than you portray.  I could be wrong, but THX, Bozco, Ace, Ashford, Gman and Titan tend to lean to the conservative side going by the content of their posts.

Right. Well like i said it was 5 in the AM. I forgot some people etc. meh.

now its about 2 in the morning and im still not in the mood to jump in.

Sux i know. *shrugs*
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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2004, 09:38:26 PM »
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You a critical thinker??? :laughing::laughing:  I still don\'t believe you can actually think, let alone critically.



Colleges are the bastion for liberal indoctrination.  They indoctrinate rather than educate.  This proves you can\'t think... critical thinker... :laughing:

 

How to Talk to a Liberal (if you must) - Currently Number 5 on the NY Times Best Seller List - and it is non fiction... something you wouldn\'t know about.

Unfit for Command - Prior to the election was Number 1 on the NY Times Best Seller List...

Besides, Frontpage is a conservative website - that is why you see conservative books being advertised on it.  

The article is credible for an op/ed piece.  You can\'t even tell me what doesn\'t make it factual...  come on critical thinker... :laughing:


You\'re right I don\'t think. I\'m as stupid as you say I am. There are you happy?

Sometimes when my dog wants something. It whines and whines over the same thing over and over. It gets tiring after a while because the dog doesn\'t know any better than to let it go. So, you just give the dog what it wants, agree with it\'s demands. The dog wags his tails and goes on.


Anyways.

"liberal indoctration"

So how did you become a conservative?

It\'s only "Indoctration" if you let it affect the way you think. If you swallow everything they throw at you. Which also applies to conservatives. "Critical thinking" comes in when you analyze and choose to believe whether or not the "indoctration" is right. It\'s not whether or not is right. It depends what side your heart is on.

My heart is well set on equality, freedom and diversity. The believe that the true American way is the helping each other out. Is the notion to make sure that whatever you have accomplished in life others can do it too To make sure every mouth is fed and that authority isn\'t solely based on money.
I would love to see one statement from a Republican that doesn\'t involve money one way or another.

I still fail to see how any of you can make judgements of illegals without actually living a life like theirs. And I will never see how damning this people and being selfish is toward others is the true "American way"


It\'s a conservative website. Meaning that many of those writers probably share the same crap you believe.

Why isn\'t it factual? Because I still have to see it. I have yet to see what he claims is everywhere.

And besides, if you like to tell people to kiss your ass. Then you should also be ready for them to tell you to pucker up.

Wow, top sellers huh?

I don\'t really care. What are you trying to tell me?
Conservatives like to read biased books?
« Last Edit: December 03, 2004, 12:24:36 AM by SirMystiq »
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2004, 10:18:09 PM »
I personally enjoy what\'s at the top of the hardcover non-fiction NY Times bestseller list.  ;)
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« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2004, 12:26:55 AM »
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I personally enjoy what\'s at the top of the hardcover non-fiction NY Times bestseller list.  ;)


HA!

I happen to own 3 out of those books.

America is a great book.
And I actually read some of that "How to talk to liberals"...Wow, how lame can those people get?
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2004, 07:03:17 AM »
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Anyways.

"liberal indoctration"

So how did you become a conservative?


When my sociology professor openly supported the idea of pedeophilia it made me start to question the liberal agenda in this country.  It wasn\'t overnight, but it was a start.

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It\'s only "Indoctration" if you let it affect the way you think. If you swallow everything they throw at you. Which also applies to conservatives. "Critical thinking" comes in when you analyze and choose to believe whether or not the "indoctration" is right. It\'s not whether or not is right. It depends what side your heart is on.

My heart is well set on equality, freedom and diversity. The believe that the true American way is the helping each other out. Is the notion to make sure that whatever you have accomplished in life others can do it too To make sure every mouth is fed and that authority isn\'t solely based on money.
I would love to see one statement from a Republican that doesn\'t involve money one way or another.


You seem to be well indoctrinated by MTV, CBS and other liberal media outlets.  You have absolutely no reason to hate Bush.  He has more hispanics in his administration than any other President.  He has proposed to give amnesty to illegals here now... and you still hate the man.  :confused:  I really don\'t understand the logic to your blind hatred, except that you have been indoctrinated and refuse to look at any positive things Bush has done for you and your community.

To make sure every mouth is fed?  Since when was this the governments responsibility?  Especially when it comes to illegals?  Illegals do not deserve any benefits the government has to offer since they are not citizens.  To make sure whatever "I" accomplish in life others can to?  That is and has always been possible.  You seem to imply that you want it handed to you.  The answer to your statement is:  WORK.  If you are a citizen you have every opportunity that other citizens have.  If you are not a citizen - tough luck... leave.

One statement a Republican has made that doesn\'t involve money?  Are you really that blind?

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I still fail to see how any of you can make judgements of illegals without actually living a life like theirs. And I will never see how damning this people and being selfish is toward others is the true "American way"


Because they are illegal.  They have no right to be here.  Selfish?  No its called abiding by the law.  This country can better use its resources on citizens rather than illegals who come here for a free ride.

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Wow, top sellers huh?

I don\'t really care. What are you trying to tell me?
Conservatives like to read biased books?


And liberals don\'t?  You read the book America by Jon Stewart didn\'t you?  Hypocrite.
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« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2004, 08:52:12 AM »
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When my sociology professor openly supported the idea of pedeophilia it made me start to question the liberal agenda in this country.  It wasn\'t overnight, but it was a start.



You seem to be well indoctrinated by MTV, CBS and other liberal media outlets.  You have absolutely no reason to hate Bush.  He has more hispanics in his administration than any other President.  He has proposed to give amnesty to illegals here now... and you still hate the man.  :confused:  I really don\'t understand the logic to your blind hatred, except that you have been indoctrinated and refuse to look at any positive things Bush has done for you and your community.

To make sure every mouth is fed?  Since when was this the governments responsibility?  Especially when it comes to illegals?  Illegals do not deserve any benefits the government has to offer since they are not citizens.  To make sure whatever "I" accomplish in life others can to?  That is and has always been possible.  You seem to imply that you want it handed to you.  The answer to your statement is:  WORK.  If you are a citizen you have every opportunity that other citizens have.  If you are not a citizen - tough luck... leave.

One statement a Republican has made that doesn\'t involve money?  Are you really that blind?



Because they are illegal.  They have no right to be here.  Selfish?  No its called abiding by the law.  This country can better use its resources on citizens rather than illegals who come here for a free ride.

 

And liberals don\'t?  You read the book America by Jon Stewart didn\'t you?  Hypocrite.


I have yet to meet that kind of extreme liberalist.

I don\'t have cable so it couldn\'t be MTV. I could care less about CBS and tell me about all the "liberal" media outlets. Everything that doesn\'t support your conservative ideas is "liberal" right? And being "liberal" automatically makes it bad right?

It\'s not "blind hate" He could marry a Mexican woman for all I care. His policies are a joke, his stubborness makes America very open to attacks, the Iraq war is going nowhere fast(Nov. had the most number of casualties since the war begun), Afghanistan is a drug state and we actually believe that Iran has stopped their nuclear projects. All of the "hispanics" in his cabinet support his ideas. Their "closet hispanics" in my opinion. Too blind to even reach out to their own. Plus, his immigration reform plan is a joke.

What has Bush done for my community? Seriously, do you have any idea of what living in MY community is about? I don\'t think so. Do your kids go to a shithole school like so many of the kids in my community? Is the crime rate as high in your community than in mine?

And didn\'t Bush just cut funding that would help some aspects of my community? I think so. And is his No Child Left Behind crap really helping? No.

He has the support of people like you Giga. That alone makes me not like him.

It\'s not the governments responsibility. But you seem to love talking about your "culture" and how America is so great. That was my opinion of what USED to make America great. Now is nothing more than selfish, stubborn and unwilling country.

WORK! Wow, I should of really thought about that. I mean we all grew up under the same circumstances right? We both had parents who earned the same amount of money right? We were all white during the 60\'s and 70\'s right?

It\'s not that easy.

"Leave"- A true American

"Illegals come here for a free ride"- Right. Since you know so much about each one of them right?

Well, name one then? If it isn\'t about money it\'s something religious. It\'s not that I\'m blind, it\'s just that I\'ve never heard one.

"Hypocrite"- C\'mon you brought up those stats trying to symbolize something. I didn\'t mean that ONLY conservatives read those type of books. So please...don\'t take your assumptions and put them in my mouth. You seem to love that.
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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2004, 09:16:16 AM »
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I have yet to meet that kind of extreme liberalist.

I don\'t have cable so it couldn\'t be MTV. I could care less about CBS and tell me about all the "liberal" media outlets. Everything that doesn\'t support your conservative ideas is "liberal" right? And being "liberal" automatically makes it bad right?


In my personal opinion some liberals are bad, but what makes you the worst is that you are an uneducated misinformed liberal.

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It\'s not "blind hate" He could marry a Mexican woman for all I care. His policies are a joke, his stubborness makes America very open to attacks, the Iraq war is going nowhere fast(Nov. had the most number of casualties since the war begun), Afghanistan is a drug state and we actually believe that Iran has stopped their nuclear projects. All of the "hispanics" in his cabinet support his ideas. Their "closet hispanics" in my opinion. Too blind to even reach out to their own. Plus, his immigration reform plan is a joke.


What policies have made us "open" for attack?  We haven\'t been attacked since 9/11.  There are casualities in war - get over it.  We don\'t believe Iran has stopped their nuclear program -  That would be Europe and the UN - I have no idea where you get your information because it is all completely wrong.  

Closet hispanics?  Don\'t reach out to their own?  You are so racist it sickens me.  What they are are true Americans who have earned their own way.  Something you know nothing about or want to know anything about.  You are as bad as those blacks that call Colin Powell an Uncle Tom.  It is not their responsibility to "reach out" and help thier communities monetarily or grant them special favors.  The gift they are giving your community is an example that you can succeed in this country regardless of your race or upbringing.  This doesn\'t only apply to minorities - take a look at Nixon who grew up in poverty for an example of a white person who had nothing, but became something.  That is the American way.

 
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What has Bush done for my community? Seriously, do you have any idea of what living in MY community is about? I don\'t think so. Do your kids go to a shithole school like so many of the kids in my community? Is the crime rate as high in your community than in mine?


Then do something about it instead of whining.  You expect the President to fix your community?  The problem with your community is that you don\'t take any responsibilities for your community.  It is not the governments responsibilty to stop your fellow hispanics from commiting crimes and driving tacky automobiles.

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And didn\'t Bush just cut funding that would help some aspects of my community? I think so. And is his No Child Left Behind crap really helping? No.


Where?  Show me how he cut funding to certain aspects of your community.  Also, stop whining about having to take tests to prove you have actually learned something in school.  

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He has the support of people like you Giga. That alone makes me not like him.


Good.

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WORK! Wow, I should of really thought about that. I mean we all grew up under the same circumstances right? We both had parents who earned the same amount of money right? We were all white during the 60\'s and 70\'s right?


What does white have to do with anything?  You have more opportunities in this country than I do because you are a minority.  There are many hispanics who are successful so stop trying to make this a race issue.

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"Leave"- A true American


Yes, your parents should leave.  They are illegal.

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"Illegals come here for a free ride"- Right. Since you know so much about each one of them right?


They come here for money that they send back to wherever they came from and get a free education in our public schools along with getting treated at our hospitals even though they don\'t have health insurance.  Yeah I would call that a free ride.

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Well, name one then? If it isn\'t about money it\'s something religious. It\'s not that I\'m blind, it\'s just that I\'ve never heard one.


Then you are deaf too.

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"Hypocrite"- C\'mon you brought up those stats trying to symbolize something. I didn\'t mean that ONLY conservatives read those type of books. So please...don\'t take your assumptions and put them in my mouth. You seem to love that.


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Conservatives like to read biased books?


Yeah some assumption :rolleyes:
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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2004, 10:21:21 AM »
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That\'s probably the only thing Giga and I agree on.

Marijuana shouldn\'t be lealized.

There is no point.
No good will come from it.
It wouldn\'t benefit our society in anyway.


I know it\'s a bit late, but I just awnted to add my two cents on this one.

If we should keep it illegal because there\'s no benefit to society, then why don\'t we make everything with no benefit illegal? Nobody needs an iPod, for instance. Let\'s make that illegal.

It\'s a silly counter to a silly argument I guess.

Fact is, making it legal would at least create a bunch of jobs and help move a bunch more taxable money through the system.

I think it\'d be interesting to see what happened if it was legal in the U.S.

Personally though, I don\'t smoke. I\'ve tried, but it just makes me feel like I want to puke. I only suffered through that one time to get high. It was neat, but not worth the gag reflex and coughing fit to get there.

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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2004, 10:36:32 AM »
I lived in a relatively shitty area, and went to high school with a high concentration of Mexican students... they had all the same opportunities I had... I\'m sorry Mystiq, but your whole, "You don\'t know what its like" card is way too melodramatic.

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« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2004, 11:26:30 AM »
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I lived in a relatively shitty area, and went to high school with a high concentration of Mexican students... they had all the same opportunities I had... I\'m sorry Mystiq, but your whole, "You don\'t know what its like" card is way too melodramatic.


sorry i have to disagree somewhat here...yea in general we all have the same opportunities...y\'know i hear about all of these grants for minorities and things of that nature,..and even if those advantages are taken advantage of...and i\'m speaking from personal experience that minorities are still at a disadvantage...

swif,..if you and I went on a job interview with the exact same credentials your chances of getting hired will be higher than mine, bottomline...and not to turn this into a racist argument but that is just the way it is...and that are just some of the hurdles minorities have to go through...

on the other hand i agree it\'s not up to bush to clean up our neighborhoods like that..it should be the responsibility of the city officials in the said area ...as far as education goes yea the pres should make it a high priority to get these computers in these poor school systems and update the technology therein...i\'ll stop here i could go on and on but this is getting long...
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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2004, 11:55:04 AM »
One thing I have to say, is I\'m white and I\'m not at some big University nor did I get jackshit from the Government as far as grants or any of that goes, for them to sit there and say that my parents can contribute 20 grand a year to my education is a f*cking crock of shit, but if they were poor the government would be more than happy to give me more money. Its stupid how the system is set up that until your 23 you are considered to be a minor or at least to a point they can say your parents are still helping you out. How did you plan to pay for SMU Mystiq??? Its like 30grand a year.

 

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