Author Topic: Can someone explain to me the difference? (Read 1416 times)

videoholic · « **Reply #15 on:** December 25, 2004, 10:41:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax

I get what your pointing out, that every religion is far-fetched, but Catholics just think theyre beliefs are right and maybe put themselves on a pedistal when they look at other religions, but the difference is that if a group of christians were bombed, i would be angry. But if the extremist muslims were bombed i wouldnt give a rats ass.

I think my point was a bit lost in the violence. I\'m not sympothising for anyone. My only point was that both religions view\'s are eternal life, but one is considered normal and the other is apparently whacked. Is that not a little whacked? Both believe in something that is completely unexplainable, yet only one is considered whacked.

GmanJoe · « **Reply #16 on:** December 25, 2004, 11:40:09 AM »

Not all Christians think that way. I, for one, know that Muslims and Christians actually worship the same God. The God of Abraham. Jesus is actually well regarded in teh Quran, the Muslim\'s equivelant of the Christian Bible.

But I know that both sides have their extremists. It\'s a fact that both religions have a few knuckleheads who\'ve chosen to forget the message of peace that both religions preach. The Christians have their Crusades and the Muslims have their terrorists.

There are actually prominent Muslims, Vid, that have condemed these so-called "suicide for virgins" as complete false - or "whacked" as you say it. Religious extremists will preach hatred towards the ignorant who\'ll believe in anything. Even heavenly virgins as rewards, if they kill innocents.

I doubt you can actually raise your child with rational thought if you can\'t even educate yourself about such things you try to pass off as something you know about.

videoholic · « **Reply #17 on:** December 25, 2004, 11:55:51 AM »

I don\'t know anything about it. Never said I did. And again, I\'ve never said all Muslims believed this.

All I am saying is that an individual believes that he dies for a cause he gets to go have sex with virgins, He\'s a looney.

A guy follows belief all his life waiting for his god to reappear to take him to eternal glee, he\'s normal.

As an individual, what\'s the difference?

THis is basic, very basic. Not talking terrorism, not talking a obout groups of people. I\'m just talking the basic individual belief.

« **Reply #18 on:** December 25, 2004, 11:56:00 AM »

Videoholic,

I get what you\'re trying to say, but the angle of the starting point of your thesis is crooked.

It should be something like this :

All wrongdoings, yes also the extreme ones like terrorist acts cannot be justified by beliefs, whichever that one is.

Then he could\'ve made a pollquestion outta that and ask ;

- agree
- disagree

anyway, I\'d vote agree with that stance.

GmanJoe · « **Reply #19 on:** December 25, 2004, 12:05:38 PM »

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Originally posted by videoholic
I don\'t know anything about it. Never said I did. And again, I\'ve never said all Muslims believed this.

All I am saying is that an individual believes that he dies for a cause he gets to go have sex with virgins, He\'s a looney.

A guy follows belief all his life waiting for his god to reappear to take him to eternal glee, he\'s normal.

As an individual, what\'s the difference?

THis is basic, very basic. Not talking terrorism, not talking a obout groups of people. I\'m just talking the basic individual belief.

The belief is Christians will go to heaven NOW, if they\'ve been good. They don\'t have to wait for Jesus\' second coming to go to heaven.

I say it\'s immoral for a person to take the lives of innocent victims for his/her religious beliefs. Whether he\'s Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Red Sox fan.

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #20 on:** December 25, 2004, 01:07:46 PM »

I don\'t think anyone can argue that religion is behind some of the worst crimes commited against humanity. You have your terrorist, witch hunts and so many other historic things and it all goes back to religion. It\'s just that simple.

« **Reply #21 on:** December 25, 2004, 02:17:32 PM »

I don\'t know if its been said yet but you can\'t really compare fanatical muslims with your average christian. Fanatic Christians on the other hand are a different story. IMO, There is no difference between those that would kill someone for being gay/pro-choice and those that would kill someone for being American.

§ôµÏG®ïñD · « **Reply #22 on:** December 25, 2004, 05:41:20 PM »

CULT

A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

The followers of such a religion or sect.

A system or community of religious worship and ritual.

The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.

hmmmmm

« **Reply #23 on:** December 25, 2004, 05:58:53 PM »

The difference is that killing is involved on one side and the other is simply believing.

videoholic · « **Reply #24 on:** December 25, 2004, 06:39:33 PM »

Again....

Set the killing aside

Pretend there is no killing

I am only talking about the belief that they believe that when they die they will get to live forever with some virgin poontang.

Christians on the other hand believe that a guy is going to come back from the dead and bring them eternal happiness.

Again, I\'m not talking about fundamental muslim terrorist whackos. I am only talking about the basic beliefs. How are they different?

GmanJoe · « **Reply #25 on:** December 25, 2004, 09:06:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I don\'t think anyone can argue that religion is behind some of the worst crimes commited against humanity. You have your terrorist, witch hunts and so many other historic things and it all goes back to religion. It\'s just that simple.

It\'s not that simple. Leaders in the past have long used religion as a way of trying to manipulate others into warring with other people. If not religion, it would certainly be something else. China and the former USSR, for example, both atheist countries have caused atrocities against humanity.

It\'s like man will always use anything for its own selfish gain. When Ford built cars, robbers used the cars for robbing banks. Do you blame the car or the people who commited these crimes?

« **Reply #26 on:** December 25, 2004, 09:57:10 PM »

Wow Vid....you kinda left that as a trick question, and a one-sided opinion. Sure lit up off-topic though!

« **Reply #27 on:** December 26, 2004, 08:27:19 PM »

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Originally posted by videoholic
I am only talking about the belief that they believe that when they die they will get to live forever with some virgin poontang.

Christians on the other hand believe that a guy is going to come back from the dead and bring them eternal happiness.

Again, I\'m not talking about fundamental muslim terrorist whackos. I am only talking about the basic beliefs. How are they different?

Save for various nuances they aren\'t very different. In fact some people consider the Islamic Allah and the Christian God to be one and the same.

GmanJoe · « **Reply #28 on:** December 26, 2004, 08:35:43 PM »

They are the same. Read one of my previous reply on this same thread.

Viper_Fujax · « **Reply #29 on:** December 27, 2004, 01:24:58 AM »

You kind of switched the topics vid. Christians and everyone else obviously sees the extremists as wack, but normal muslims arent looked down upon. Just because they have a different set of beliefs (while the same like Gman said) doesnt mean that they (christians) think down upon them. They just think differently and maybe expressing what they think looks like they are saying "you are weird because you dont think like us."

And that\'s prominent because 1) Its safe to say most of the religious people you run into are christian and 2) our founding fathers built the country on that belief

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Author Topic: Can someone explain to me the difference? (Read 1416 times)