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« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2005, 06:25:36 PM »
how old is the bible again?????



case closed.
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2005, 06:32:42 PM »
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1)Does it say anything about lesbians?


No...but this is the old testament, where man doesn\'t mean "man-gender" but "man-human"
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2)What are we?Sinless?Who do we thing we are to "throw a stone" to others?We should mind our own business


i agree with you partially there...

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3)Those bastards who protest against gays or people who belong to other religions are idiots.With their actions they even contradict Jesus\' teachings.
If they are such good christians why dont they choose the right Jesus way by showing them the right way!THE GOOD CHRISTIAN WAY!!!


Yes, there are a lot of people out there claiming to be great and awesome Christians...they are mostly hipocrites.  I have actually stopped going to church as much b/c of all the hipocrites...

But I really don\'t care what gay people do, I just didn\'t like Hal\'s smart butt comment....

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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2005, 06:36:55 PM »
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how old is the bible again?????



case closed.


I dont think its 100% a matter of how old it is.Although I agree with your statement.
There are so many things in the bible than just religion and some people take it way too seriously word by word.There are also historical facts too.Its also a history book.Not all the book has to do with religion
There are many things that contradict "teachings" before christ with the ones that were being tought after Christ
For example Solomon tought "an eye for an eye".Christ tought "if someone slaps you on the cheek show the other cheek"
The coming of Jesus Christ was a prophecy with the help of the stars (Qaballah) yet Christianity sees astrology as a satanic or heretic thing.
Also Christians used to wear pentagrams.Today its seen as a symbol of satan
« Last Edit: January 20, 2005, 06:38:30 PM by Unicron! »

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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2005, 06:43:09 PM »
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No...but this is the old testament, where man doesn\'t mean "man-gender" but "man-human"


Ok.But you realise that gay people have the need of a partner as much as you need a partner of the opposite gendre.
Can you imagine yourself without a partner to love and share for the rest of your life?
The way of thinking is wrong.Gays feel love just as we do.They share just like we do to each other.We cant just fight them because we arent like them.They just ARE

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i agree with you partially there...

Whats the part you dont agree with

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Yes, there are a lot of people out there claiming to be great and awesome Christians...they are mostly hipocrites.  I have actually stopped going to church as much b/c of all the hipocrites...

But I really don\'t care what gay people do, I just didn\'t like Hal\'s smart butt comment....


Sometimes its not a matter of hypocricity but a lack of self-awareness."Dont judge if you dont want to be judged".Unfortunately thats a mistake we all do
« Last Edit: January 20, 2005, 06:45:44 PM by Unicron! »

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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2005, 06:47:09 PM »
HOW COME YOU ME AND YOU ALWAYS END UP IN A FRIKIN ARGUMENT??!??!?!?!

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« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2005, 07:10:21 PM »
I personally don\'t think that the bible should be taken as literally as it is. I always had thought that it was just a guide book using exaggerated stories to help guide people in morals. I agree it has SOME good morals. But I don\'t think it should be taken literally or as fact. What I am getting at from project86 is that evolution should not be taught and that creationism is the only true way. I think evolution will be proven true one day as species or even humans evolve, they will look back and see that it is true. I think that many people don\'t even want to know the full evolution picture. It is not just humans evolved from monkeys (which isn\'t the new theory anyway. It is we evolved with monkeys. Humans and Chimps have 98% of the same DNA) and don\'t know the entire picture of evolution and the full theory. They just see that famous chart of the man from a gorilla to a modern man and say that that isn\'t what God teaches us. I\'ve kept a pretty open mind to religion (and starting to look into new religions) and science and I decided that science theories were more correct to me and I accepted them as truth. I looked at both sides of the picture before I decided, just to clear it up before anyone out there thinks I just accept science and don\'t give a rats ass about religion.

Before I decided to become athiest, I believed in a kind of creation/evolution hybrid. God invented the earth and everything in 7days (7 of his days, not earth days) and he\'s the one still working on and perfecting his creations through evolution. Just some food for thought for anyone who just throws out evolution because it is "sacreligious".
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« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2005, 07:11:40 PM »
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HOW COME YOU ME AND YOU ALWAYS END UP IN A FRIKIN ARGUMENT??!??!?!?!


Because currently its not.Its a conversation :p
And I am informing you because when you read a book its a monologue.You see only one opinion.I ve informed you something about gay people.Now you ve got both sides of the coin.You are free to conclude
« Last Edit: January 20, 2005, 07:20:13 PM by Unicron! »

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« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2005, 07:15:42 PM »
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It doesnt say "go to hell" or anything...it says they will be put to death, simply...

Keep your thoughts to yourself if they aren\'t right!!!


AND, I\'m not a bible thumper, but I can tell when someone quotes my guide book wrong


OK so they dont go to hell they die... whats your point? That Im wrong just because I got that part messed up? Thats not what Im arguing, Im arguing that those people are so blinded by their ignorance they feel its ok to discriminate gays just because god doesn\'t like gays :rolleyes:

Its on the same level of ignorance as a muslim killing a jew because theyre jewish.
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« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2005, 07:34:53 PM »
ummm...jesus was just a jewish preacher in jerusalem, one of hundreds.

He just pissed off the romans more than others, \'cos he was enigmatic. He was stirring up resentment against the romans, so they killed him. What better way to put an end to roman rule in the jewish world than to martyr a popular local leader, then steamroll it into a religion/revolution?

the whole immaculate conception thing is flawed, too. According to hebrew historians, Mary was a child of 13 or 14. She most likely was taken in by Joseph, in order to save her from being stoned to death for having sex out of wedlock. They then travelled to bethelehem (sp?) to have the child & raise it away from people who knew them. If I remember correctly, the early scriptures never mention mary being a virgin, that came later. It could have been a twisting of words, like "well, he\'s not Joeseph\'s child...etc". Twisted to facilitate the whole Martyr thing, and further the cause of the revolution.

These are just the opinions of an agnostic, trying to make sense of the craziness that I see around me. I do not intend to offend anyone.

Hasn\'t anyone seen "The Life of Brian" by Monty Python? It\'s a little deeper than most people think.

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« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2005, 10:28:49 PM »
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OK so they dont go to hell they die... whats your point? That Im wrong just because I got that part messed up? Thats not what Im arguing, Im arguing that those people are so blinded by their ignorance they feel its ok to discriminate gays just because god doesn\'t like gays :rolleyes:

Its on the same level of ignorance as a muslim killing a jew because theyre jewish.


You do understand what God is to Christians, right? There\'s this whole dynamic involving... you know... their entire lives being divoted to him and all... *cough*

If we shouldn\'t judge gays for practicing an unnatural, deviant lifestyle openly, then I see no reason to condemn religious fanatics for hating anyone either. If you do, your selective intolerance is no better than the fanatic\'s.

"...those people are so blinded by their ignorance they feel its ok to discriminate gays..."

You are discriminating (by way of labelling/namecalling/judging) someone for discriminating themselves... you do see the irony? Also, how do you know discrimination is a bigger sin in the eyes of God or the universe than being gay? You obviously don\'t know, for all you know you and the gays are digging yourselves much deeper than the fanatics. It\'s all well and good to say you don\'t believe in God, or don\'t care what God thinks, but I assure you if there is a God, he (or she or it) most certainly believes in you and will not give you some magical \'athiest only\' pass to some alternate, judgment-free afterlife.

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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2005, 03:47:37 AM »
People who call themselves Christians then submit themselves to any form of discrimination are wrong in doing so. “He who is without sin, may he throw the first stone”.

It is possible to disagree with what a person does and still love that person as commanded of us through the Bible. The Old Testament was written to construct laws that were to be used in providing a future for a sovereign nation but since that nation turned it’s back on God so many times those laws have fallen fate to the New Testament. Some of the laws written in the Old Testament for the Levite tribes of men who were to be held accountable for any detestable acts, as they were the governing people for the tribes of Israel. So to have the leaders falter to these ways would make it difficult to set them up as examples for the rest of the nation to follow. However, it was still considered a sin to practice homosexuality for two reasons. One it was a form of idolatry and two it was an act that went against all laws of nature in God’s ideal plan for procreation.

When Jesus came into the picture, the New Testament did not do away with the laws of the old, it only made them more clearly as to why they were written. The people of God are to be as a clean and spotless offering to God and by allowing sin as described in the Bible into their ranks was not acceptable. But through Jesus those who have sinned may find the way to become clean but only through their own willingness to do so. Jesus also put LOVE above all other matters of importance as written in the books by Paul to the church of Ephasis and to those written to in the book of Colossians. In understanding that LOVE should be the cornerstone by which we follow all rules of the Bible we would come to the conclusion that despite what we might not agree with we are to love all and forgive them of their transgressions. Those who have not come to understand the Bible and accept Jesus as their God and savior do not yet understand the rules that Christians live by therefore it is not up to Christians to judge them nor discriminate against them.

So in short, any “Christian” judging those that might call themselves gay is subject to a higher crime as Jesus said himself “judge not lest ye be judged… Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord…” And please, don’t misunderstand the word LOVE here. It is simply a humanitarian love found of others simply for the fact that we are all created equal in the image and eyes of God. Some fall short of his will and he wishes all to come unto him through his son Jesus Christ but that is something to be dealt with on a personal level.

And DeAnna, when quoting the Bible, try and understand history and context of it as the verse you quoted was specifically written towards the Levites. It applies to all other later when you read about Sodom and Gomorra.
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« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2005, 04:37:34 AM »
I must admit project86, well done post. People, IMO just overanalyze everything into a too deep a meaning than what it is supposed to be. People take things in the Bible that are not meant to be taken that way. Besides, the book was written over thousands of years and translated every which way. There is the chance that there are mistranslations (and there are some) and bad transliterations. Personally (like stated before), I just believe the Bible is a moral guide in life using great leaders like Jesus to get their message across. I\'m not refuting that it does have some good morals in it, because it does, I just think it is taken too literally and I don\'t believe it is a book to be taken as fact or a history lesson.
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« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2005, 04:50:20 AM »
I must admit project86, well done post. People, IMO just overanalyze everything into a too deep a meaning than what it is supposed to be. People take things in the Bible that are not meant to be taken that way. Besides, the book was written over thousands of years and translated every which way. There is the chance that there are mistranslations (and there are some) and bad transliterations. Personally (like stated before), I just believe the Bible is a moral guide in life using great leaders like Jesus to get their message across. I\'m not refuting that it does have some good morals in it, because it does, I just think it is taken too literally and I don\'t believe it is a book to be taken as fact or a history lesson.
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« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2005, 04:50:20 AM »
I must admit project86, well done post. People, IMO just overanalyze everything into a too deep a meaning than what it is supposed to be. People take things in the Bible that are not meant to be taken that way. Besides, the book was written over thousands of years and translated every which way. There is the chance that there are mistranslations (and there are some) and bad transliterations. Personally (like stated before), I just believe the Bible is a moral guide in life using great leaders like Jesus to get their message across. I\'m not refuting that it does have some good morals in it, because it does, I just think it is taken too literally and I don\'t believe it is a book to be taken as fact or a history lesson.
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« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2005, 04:51:55 AM »
I must admit TITan, you\'re the king of triple posting.
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