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Offline Evi

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« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2005, 10:19:13 PM »
^^^^^^

Everything you just said, times ten. You managed to say everything I was thinking, but couldn\'t possibly articulate into coherent sentences.

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« Reply #76 on: January 26, 2005, 07:27:18 AM »
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How so? What event will create this government, and why is there no way to avoid this?
If our society were to spiral into anarchy those with the resources would have control. Anarchy by definition is the abscense of law and authority. Even a communal society with an unspoken set of rules is not an anarchy.
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« Reply #77 on: January 26, 2005, 08:04:22 AM »
Anarchy = fall of Rome. The next few centuries were called The Dark Ages.

If yer into lawlessness, pillaging and plundering, then anarchy is for you. :)
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« Reply #78 on: January 26, 2005, 09:26:32 AM »
Hmmmmm okay, well the last couple posts made all very good points.

BS, yes that is definantly a problem with the theory of Anarchism.

I\'m willing to admit that I do not have the knowledge of the subject to debate you on the point of "Resources" because  I have raised that same point before.

My interest in the Anarchist movement is more along the lines of social change.  I\'m not sure if the social change that I\'m looking for can come about in a large capitalist nation, but maybe it can.

First step in doing that would be to get the government to just focus on foreign issues, economic issues, and just leave the social issues alone.
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« Reply #79 on: January 26, 2005, 10:59:40 AM »
Anarchy has nothing to do with social change. It has to do with removal of governmental authority. Of course, when applied in real-world situations, there is always social change that goes along with the onset of anarchy. And none of it is ever good change.

I don\'t really think anarchy is what you\'re really about. I think most anarchists, including yourself, are much more proponents of the ideal form of communism. Based on what you say your ideal society would be, it makes more sense. Ideal communism is one with one social class, and no central government. Some call it a social utopia. I loathe the idea personally, and though it has been attempted many times, it without fail becomes the communism we all know, which is really totalitarianism. Because as Black Samurai said, even if the whole idea of equality were applied and central control were severed, some people are still going to have more resources and power than others, and some will always desire. Thus, you get totalitarianism.

True Communism will never, ever exist. Marx\'s ideas are a failure. Humans will never be able to completely stifle their desires to compete and succeed enough en masse for it to even have a hope.

And as I stated above, I would never want to live in the \'perfect\' communism, because it is a life that would never allow for improvement and innovation. Humans achieve and discover for many reasons. Desire for wealth, fame, power all augment every desire for mere improvement. As long as that is a part of human nature, Communism is never going to work.
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« Reply #80 on: January 26, 2005, 12:04:49 PM »
You people do realize of course that being in the military and serving your country is still no matter what you say a choice right? The problem is not choice is seeing past the choices we make.

U bunch of man loving homos..

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« Reply #81 on: January 26, 2005, 12:14:28 PM »
Eh, I\'m hesitant to use the word Communism because it implys a state-enforced type of economy, which is definatly not what i\'m looking for.

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Anarchy has nothing to do with social change.


I don\'t believe that is true, Anarchism is all about social change. Most Anarchists that I talked too really keep things on a local level, not literally over-throwing the government, and any movement on a local level will ultimatley result in social change.

I do not believe that any form of Anarchist-Society will result from rebellion, it is all about just opening areas previously un-opened in western culture, not neccicarly creating mini-capitalist-states (which IMO would be a lot more destructive then one big state.)

And on your final point, Humans can still achieve and discover without creating the type of society we live in now. Community\'s can work together for a group-improvement, which can be just as satisfying as individual improvement. But it all depends on what the people want.

The way things are now, it is very difficult to stray off the path and not be homeless. The state controls most education that is affordable, and the corporations are so powerful that if you were to try and create your own buisness where profits are actually given to the workers (instead of being kept in bulk by rich owners), you would be operating in the red constantly because it is imposible to compete with corporations without paying your workers less then they deserve.

We like to precieve are society as being open and tolerant, but this is really not the case. Religious morals still dominate the social and political domains, and acting spontanously is certainly fround upon.  People lose their lives in the whole mess, school to college to work to death, and by the time your old enough to retire what will you have left? I mean, I guess the whole "rat-race" thing is just what some people want... I\'m gathering that you yourself are quite content with it, but a lot of other people including myself see it as a system that keeps people disconected from themselves and infact, other people as well.
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« Reply #82 on: January 26, 2005, 12:32:00 PM »
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« Reply #83 on: January 26, 2005, 12:41:53 PM »
It isn\'t my system.
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« Reply #84 on: January 26, 2005, 01:09:37 PM »
Then who\'s is it?

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« Reply #85 on: January 26, 2005, 01:14:23 PM »
I didn\'t teach myself how to spell, that is all I meant. :P

But really, I believe getting into a debate over my spelling would be pretty silly! :)
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« Reply #86 on: January 26, 2005, 01:20:53 PM »
yeh, it wood be prty badd two deabit it, huh? Just kidding ;)

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« Reply #87 on: January 27, 2005, 08:41:24 AM »
both d.h. and weltall made some extremely good points...just goes to show that no system is perfect...but if i had a choice i\'d have to go with the system that is in place currently..as broken as it is already...s**t just look at the social security situation...by 2042 the system will be in the red and our children will be pretty much screwed as far as that\'s concerned....the problem?..and bush stated this out of his mouth..."there just isn\'t enough people WORKING to contribute to social security"

i say that because awhile ago i stated i was bein outsourced on my job...and this reflects what the president very well knows what is goin on here...s**t if you\'re layin off people and sending jobs over seas...then yea you\'re not gonna have enough people contributing to the soc security acct....it baffles me me that the prez and others know this yet big business has the final say...

i\'ve always stated that those in congress today are doing nothing but gettin their money now and leaving problems for our children in the future...i wonder what the economy is really gonna be like 50 yrs from now....damn did i take this off topic a bit?
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« Reply #88 on: January 27, 2005, 12:18:27 PM »
Well......I stopped reading about half way through page 4 so if I restate some things im sorry.

Anarchy is impossible, plain and simple. People in the world will always desire power, and there will always be people who will follow them. It\'s part of human nature. Someone will gain strength then take power by force, and there would be no stopping them. And DH u said something about there would be no robbing because people would give away things for free.......what are you talking about? How many people do you know that would give stuff away for free? And when that person says no, whats stopping the other from just taking it? And whats stopping the person being stolen from from killing the other person? Nothing! Without a system of control over the people the world would be in CHAOS, this is proven during the middle ages incase you wanted an example. When Rome fell, power was scattered and the governments became very weak. Human Beings took a step back in evolution and lost knowledge. People got dirtier and disease spread. Do you really think that human beings as a whole can support eachother without some laws or rules set in place? It\'s just impossible. Oh and DH, what part of this country is affecting you so much that you hate it?


Anarchy is pointless, theres no argument there! Anarchy will only lead to chaos, and chaos will only lead to death. With anarchy people will have no goals, therefor technology will stop because nobody will strive to make it better.
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« Reply #89 on: January 27, 2005, 12:24:53 PM »
err.....just read a little farther and my best point IMO the fall of rome=anarchy and chaos AKA Dark Age as well as everythng else was alreayd said :(
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