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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2005, 04:26:30 AM »
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what support did SoE need to release?

it\'s there for dev\'s to use it
why don\'t dev\'s use it?

cause there\'s little need for a hard drive on consoles.  

honestly, how may people suffered thru the xbox cd ripping process to have thier own soundtracks in games?  i did it once, and realized how lame it was.



Umm I loved having a hdd on my xbox. And will be buying one for 360. I ripped so much music and saved so many highlights and clips to my xbox. I loved playing games with my own custom soundtracks. So If I can do the same with 360 I am happy:)
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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2005, 04:29:38 AM »
like i said, little need
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2005, 04:41:48 AM »
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like i said, little need


maybe for you. But for those of us who actually are going to use it for whatever needs we want we have it. If we just like ripping are music and saving are game hightlight or whatever we have it.
And those who don\'t have any use for the hdd won\'t get it.
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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2005, 05:21:51 AM »
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haha, LIC is frustrated cause noone agrees with his jaded  theories


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(1) I could care less if any of you agree with me. I am just discussing and debating this topic. Don\'t agree with me? That\'s fine. I don\'t really care.

(2) You are not one to be calling someone jaded.

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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2005, 08:08:38 AM »
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Right. I mean, that is right. Square had a gun to Sony\'s head. Right? I mean, we all know Square would leave Sony if they didn\'t get the HD released...Honestly, if you believe that, you are dumber than I thought.

I didnt say Sony was forced funny man. :laughing:
They wanted FF11 for PS2.And FF11 needed the HD.And Sqauersoft wanted to make FF11 for PS2.And Sony wants to have good relations with Square.And it was a chance to test the HD for future possibilities.

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So you are making your judgement based on "every person" you know. Which is how many on that little island of yours?

OOOOOO YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!You probably forgot some news a year ago. ;)

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Crackhead.

You are crazy. Sony is a multi-billion dollar company. They have how many huge products? They are easily worth enough money to include a HD at launch and have online plans.


Well you are the last person to undrestand between a monopoly company that makes superprofits and a competitive one that makes profits.But you dont know economics anyways so.....

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That is like saying the 32X / SEGA CD / JAGUAR CD / NINTENDO RAM CART was there for "those who cared". It\'s just a cheap way to justify an unnessarcy add-on that was a ........FAILURE. [/B]


Wow man!You are confusing add-ons with  the HD.Slow down a bit
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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2005, 09:31:59 AM »
Damn, you\'re an idiot if you don\'t realize that the HD is an add-on.

Think about it..

You buy the HD to add-on to the PS2.
Guess what that makes the HD?
An ADD-ON.

Oh God no! Logic!

And we all know Square could of toned down the crap-ass FF title , if Sony would of said no HD.

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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2005, 01:28:49 PM »
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Originally posted by Unicron!
For those who care.They had to release it for Square\'s FF11


They had no further implications for the add-on other than FFXI, that\'s what I\'m having the issue with.  

I suppose I would be better off asking anyone who purchased the PS2 version of FFXI if it was worth it.

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No its not.But every person I know has modified their XBOX and have lots of games copied in their HD.


What\'s your point?  With or without the HD the Xbox would have been pirated.  The HD just allowed them a place to store it.  How does that hurt MS?

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I didnt mean that MS wanted to throw a HD in the XBOX just because they could afford it.What I am trying to say is that MS financial state enables them to take procedures other companies cant risk to try.Sony would have never tried a plan for an online service like MS\'s unless they were 100% sure they were going to profit from it.


That\'s besides the point.  I don\'t care why Sony didn\'t release an online service, I\'m trying to find the reason for releasing the HD and not expecting it to bomb.  

MS had to have the HD.  Do you understand that?  It wasn\'t a question as to whether they could afford it or not, it was necessity because they had planned on Xbox Live being their defining attribute.

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Even the existence of XBOX is thanks to MS\'s ability to stand losses other companies cant.If it was a different company they would have seized the production of it.They can risk and keep making losses while building a fanbase and support at the same time.Thus increasing cost of production didnt mind MS as long as they saw that in the long term they would have built a base of users using XBOX live from which they could profit later


What does this have to do with anything?

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Exactly.I didnt say otherwise.There were difficulties and since they profit already, they havent introduced something like MS.No reason to take such risky actions.It is true that FFXI must have been a primary reason since Square was planning to release this for years on it.But it was an opportunity to see the possibilities of other games using it in the future.But as you said since it was very expensive and few people would buy one developers didnt show interest and neither has Sony.Its just there for those that care.As I said it wasnt supposed to bring anything major because they saw that selling the HD separately they couldnt have gained enough support for it.Trying to bring major changes with the HD it would have been a waste of money and time


This is what I\'m arguing.  Please don\'t bring the financial status of the companies up again, it\'s not important.  

They could have gained support for the HD had there been a reason to support it (needing to store large amounts of data).  When are you going to need all that space unless you plan on downloading it from somewhere?  

It was entirely unnecessary save for FFXI.  I suppose I can\'t grasp the idea of selling a $100 accessory for the purpose of one game.  

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Am I the only one that thinks writing "M$" instead of MS is really stupid?


I\'ve always wondered why people don\'t write $ony, it\'s just as easy and makes just as much sense.
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« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2005, 01:31:46 PM »
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Damn, you\'re an idiot if you don\'t realize that the HD is an add-on.

Think about it..

You buy the HD to add-on to the PS2.
Guess what that makes the HD?
An ADD-ON.

Oh God no! Logic!

And we all know Square could of toned down the crap-ass FF title , if Sony would of said no HD.
Yeah and my light gun is an add on like the 32x
my memory card is an add on like the Sega CD
And the eye toy is an add on like the Jaguar CD
 
I mean you add them on your PS2 so they are the same example.Right? :laughing:

A surgical instrument is an instrument.And so is a guitar.So a guitar is a surgical instrument!OH NO GOD!!L-I-C\'S LOGIC!
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« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2005, 01:34:52 PM »
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Yeah and my light gun is an add on like the 32x
my memory card is an add on like the Sega CD
And the eye toy is an add on like the Jaguar CD
 
I mean you add them on your PS2 so they are the same example.Right? :laughing:

A surgical instrument is an instrument.And so is a guitar.So a guitar is a surgical instrument!OH NO GOD!!L-I-C\'S LOGIC!


The memory card is necessary if you plan on saving any of your games.  The rest are accessories.

The HD was an accessory for the PS2.
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« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2005, 01:49:22 PM »
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They had no further implications for the add-on other than FFXI, that\'s what I\'m having the issue with.

Ok
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I suppose I would be better off asking anyone who purchased the PS2 version of FFXI if it was worth it.


Irrelevant

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What\'s your point?  With or without the HD the Xbox would have been pirated.  The HD just allowed them a place to store it.  How does that hurt MS?


If you remember well there was a huge issue on XBOX\'s increasing piracy thanks to the HD some time ago

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That\'s besides the point.  I don\'t care why Sony didn\'t release an online service, I\'m trying to find the reason for releasing the HD and not expecting it to bomb.  


I ve told you and you have said it by yourself that selling the HD separately is a bad move.There is the explanation.

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MS had to have the HD.  Do you understand that?  It wasn\'t a question as to whether they could afford it or not, it was necessity because they had planned on Xbox Live being their defining attribute.


Excuse me but I just said it by myself that the inclusion of the HD wasnt just because they could afford it and decided to throw it just like that.I mentioned a ton of things like  XBOX LIVE and other things you see as unimportant (you ommited) and you are disagreeing with me for no reason.Everything is combined.

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What does this have to do with anything?


 Because it does.See below
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This is what I\'m arguing.  Please don\'t bring the financial status of the companies up again, it\'s not important.  

They could have gained support for the HD had there been a reason to support it (needing to store large amounts of data).  When are you going to need all that space unless you plan on downloading it from somewhere?  

It was entirely unnecessary save for FFXI.  I suppose I can\'t grasp the idea of selling a $100 accessory for the purpose of one game.  


Financial stats is everything.Thats were strategy decisions and possibilities are based on.
Thats exactly what kept MS in the game despite losing millions(its the same example as the inclusion of the HD and the high cost), thats exactly what helped MS make decisions other companies like Sony wouldnt have made like the inclusion of the HD in conjunction with XBOX live.
Sony couldnt have had a HD included in the PS2 so a service like XBOX live doing well and supporting the HD was out of chance for the PS2.
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2005, 01:55:27 PM »
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The memory card is necessary if you plan on saving any of your games.  The rest are accessories.

The HD was an accessory for the PS2.


I was just being sarcastic with L-I-C who was trying to present the HD as if its the same example as the 32X, Jaguar CD etc

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« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2005, 02:14:51 PM »
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Irrelevant


It was actually a jab at you, I\'m getting tired of the excuses you\'re making.

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If you remember well there was a huge issue on XBOX\'s increasing piracy thanks to the HD some time ago


Link me.  Also, prove that the issue of piracy costs Microsoft more than it costs Sony.  Otherwise it\'s irrelevant.

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I ve told you and you have said it by yourself that selling the HD separately is a bad move.There is the explanation.


That\'s not an explanation on why they released it.  It\'s a prompt for questioning why they bothered with it at all.

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Excuse me but I just said it by myself that the inclusion of the HD wasnt just because they could afford it and decided to throw it just like that.I mentioned a ton of things like  XBOX LIVE and other things you see as unimportant (you ommited) and you are disagreeing with me for no reason.Everything is combined.


But how is the financial status of Sony an excuse for releasing an underplayed accessory?

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Financial stats is everything.Thats were strategy decisions and possibilities are based on.
Thats exactly what kept MS in the game despite losing millions(its the same example as the inclusion of the HD and the high cost), thats exactly what helped MS make decisions other companies like Sony wouldnt have made like the inclusion of the HD in conjunction with XBOX live.
Sony couldnt have had a HD included in the PS2 so a service like XBOX live doing well and supporting the HD was out of chance for the PS2.


What was Sony\'s strategy for the HD?  There was none, it was a one time accessory.

Again, MS did not make their decision to include the HD because they were financially capable.  They were able to incur that costs because of the financial situation, but that\'s irrelevant.  Bottom line is that there was rhyme and reason for their HD.  Sony\'s reason, other than FFXI, is what we\'re disputing.

If Sony had felt that they were ready to go online with a service then they would have been online.  Sony didn\'t feel it was time to committ to online gaming, so they didn\'t.  Just to prove to you that the financial stats are irrelevant I want you to think about Sony\'s current situation.  Some 70 million in debt, yet they have already committed themselves to microstransactions and cross-platform play which no doubt will require some type of online service.
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« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2005, 02:32:27 PM »
wihtout reading all the drivel above, i also wouldn\'t call the HD a true "addon"

it\'s in a differect category then the 32x, Tg-16 cd, ect

they put no effort in marketing it

it\'s there for dev\'s use, period.
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« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2005, 03:57:18 PM »
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It was actually a jab at you, I\'m getting tired of the excuses you\'re making.


Excuses about what?

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Link me.  Also, prove that the issue of piracy costs Microsoft more than it costs Sony.  Otherwise it\'s irrelevant.


I am not going to spend time trying to find the link that was posted a year ago.I wont try to convince you.But its a fact.Although it is indeed irreleant to the reason why PS2 doesnt have one while the XBOX has

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That\'s not an explanation on why they released it.  It\'s a prompt for questioning why they bothered with it at all.

You seem to be quotimg me just to prove me wrong not to discuss.You ignore what followed previously in the discussion.This is the explanation to why it didnt "bomb"

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But how is the financial status of Sony an excuse for releasing an underplayed accessory?

Because there wasnt big amounts of money and time spent to support an accessory.Its there for FF11.You said it by yourself.There was nothing to risk.
You are comparing them as if Sony\'s intentions and procedures with the HD were the same as MS\'s now.You are almost contradicting yourself.

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What was Sony\'s strategy for the HD?  There was none, it was a one time accessory.

Well DUH!
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Again, MS did not make their decision to include the HD because they were financially capable.  They were able to incur that costs because of the financial situation, but that\'s irrelevant.  Bottom line is that there was rhyme and reason for their HD.  Sony\'s reason, other than FFXI, is what we\'re disputing.

Well DUH DUH thats exactly what I ve been saying with the difference that the financial state IS RELEVANT!

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If Sony had felt that they were ready to go online with a service then they would have been online.  Sony didn\'t feel it was time to committ to online gaming, so they didn\'t.  Just to prove to you that the financial stats are irrelevant I want you to think about Sony\'s current situation.  Some 70 million in debt, yet they have already committed themselves to microstransactions and cross-platform play which no doubt will require some type of online service.


You are saying what I said just to argue with me only with different words.
About the 70 million in dept you mentioned though is way too general.You ommit the fact that MS has already done their online service while LOSING profits thanks to XBOX but Sony is making future plans expecting to GAIN profits from the service and the next PS.Is the 70 million in dept thanks to PS2?No.
This move only shows that they are having positive expectations that they will gain from it and help their situation when its put into action.
Otherwise they would have risked and released an online service with the PS2 already to compete MS and make longer long term plans just like MS despite that this would have caused losses to them
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« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2005, 04:30:28 PM »
it\'s a quote battle!!

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