Gay Marriages Legal OR Illegal?

[clips]

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Square.

It was also tradition that we have slaves.
It was also tradition that blacks could not marry whites.
It was also tradition that Whites were the superior race.

Should we re-instate those to preserve our tradition?

as far as the stuff about the racial traditions....that was just how our racist forefathers were back in the day. it was a s**ty time back then. And racism will be here till the end of time. i see the argument you\'re tryin to make here, and i\'m afri american, but that argument as far as marriages goes doesn\'t hold any weight.

whether you were black white racist etc..marriage has ALWAYS been between a man and a woman. that other stuff about slavery was only a view or a corrupt mindset of how white society saw black people back then and sadly some still see us in that same light. but marriage wasn\'t something that was like some type of emotion or how one person saw another, it\'s always been the union of a man and woman, no matter what culture you\'re from that\'s what marriage is....

You are so full of hatred for straight people, white people and people who abide by the law it is sickening. Please don\'t breed.

I don\'t hate any of those things. I abide by the law, am white, and am straight. Yes, I dislike people who support CERTAIN laws.

 it\'s always been the union of a man and woman, no matter what culture you\'re from that\'s what marriage is....

Okay, point taken. (Although I\'m sure that is debatable.)

But why does America have to have one culture? Socially we are full of diverse people, and culture is always changing. So why can\'t culture change now? Why do we have to be exclusive to any idea of tradition? Why can\'t we start our own traditions? Why can\'t two cultures co-exist? Why must one be more SUPERIOR then the other?

Is the whole marriage-tradition ruined if it is forced to co-exist with new ideas? And if so, why?

[clips]

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster

Is the whole marriage-tradition ruined if it is forced to co-exist with new ideas? And if so, why? [/B]

speaking from a parents standpoint, and we\'ve been down this road before...you are taught even as a child that a man is to be with a woman. i mean yea we were taught that, but even if we wasn\'t you can\'t deny that you\'ve always liked that one girl in kidegarden or in first grade. it was a natural emotion..to like the opposite sex. if you go so far as to have children actually see that it\'s ok to see two women kiss or two men kiss, at such a young age, i don\'t think it will benefit them in the least amount..moreso i think it will confuse them...

i know that sounds kinda raw and ignorant and trust i have nothing against gays at all. but at some point you gotta draw the line somewhere. i feel the same way when it comes to legalizing weed :rolleyes:..how you gonna tell your kids it\'s not good to smoke weed then turn around and try to legalize it? s**t makes absolutely no sense at all....

You have fine points DH but I guess we\'re saying that gay marriage is just not natural.

It\'s not natural for a human to own a slave.
It\'s not natural to disallow blacks from marrying whites.
It\'s not natural to have dick straightening feelings for another man.

The last one can be argued by you outta-the-box thinkers (ahemliberals) but the fact is the majority thinks homosexuality is unnatural.  If gays want to participate in a traditional ceremony that involves a man and a woman, one of em has to grow a vagina and/or penis.

Clips, no. I think that was a fine point.

But Clips, kids are already exposed to so much "negativity" was children. Sex, Violence, Drugs, War, Poverty.... They experiment, they make mistakes, they (hopefully) learn from those mistakes.

It\'s kind of an asburd point to make, but I\'ll make it anyway. Kids are ALREADY confused sexually. Kids see all that bullshit that makes girls become Anorexic, they see all that bullshit that gets kids in high school pregnant without support for a child. So would the ideas that come with gay marriage really be that bad for kids? It is debatable without a doubt.

Pros:

- It demonstrates acceptance and openess

- It will lessen the complete hatred of gays that occours across America.  (eventually)

-  Gay kids dont have babies.

Cons(sort of a pro?):

- Homosexuality could become more common in teens. But on the other hand, a lot of homosexual experience in Teens seems to stem from the idea of kids promoting "Be your self", this concious recognition of finding ones self is what leads to people who think they are homosexual but then realize they are not. If Homosexuality was not as frowned upon, perhaps kids would not feel the need to figure out wether they are gay or straight, perhaps it would just come naturally.

[clips]

i understand your points DH...and tru there are alot of negativity that surround kids on a daily basis. y\'know i just can\'t accept the fact that tho it seems you want to say that it\'s ok to accept this type of relationship...it\'s hard for me to explain without you lookin at this post and sayin "damn clips that\'s some f**ked up s**t you\'re sayin"...so let me try to say this and explain it the best way possible.

what do you say if your son see\'s a man and a women kissin\' on tv? well most likely he\'ll accept that since that what the majority of society feels is normal, if he see\'s two men kissing and say "daddy is it ok for two men to be kissing?" if my son ever asked me that but i\'m sure he\'s aware of it i would tell him that no two men should not be kissing each other, BUT that is what some men or women choose to do...

i know we see men gettin sex changes and women becoming men and such and that\'s their choice to do so,the gov\'t doesn\'t say you can\'t do that,it\'s like when you have a professional job, oh yea you can come to work in jeans and a shirt if you want, but that\'s not professional,imagine giving that presentation in just that type of attire? that\'s probably a weak example but you get the point.  there are some things that need some type of moral upholding....marriage is one of \'em

[clips]

^^^hmmm looking back at that part about not accepting that type of lifestyle, doesn\'t sound too swift. i can and do accept that people live that way and i have nothing against it at all, i ultimately just feel it should be called civil unions.....

Now i can see how some gay people remain gay and believe in god and i guess thats a problem because for the most part, there has never been any justified recognition of gay unions/marriages in christianity or almost any other religion etc. (or at least that i know of).  

I have had gay friends and i dont hate them at all but you cant expect a tradition as old as marriage to change in some short period of time if at all. Marriage is between a man and a woman and both religiously and biologically, men are supposed to be with women. Thats just how it goes plain and simple. Im no bible thumping person. In fact im not even that religious but its obvious that this is how its been since the beginning of time.

Unions are fine by me and i really dont have too much of a problem with gay marriages either, but to bitch and moan about how you cant go against an old, firm and wide spread tradition is just silly. Be happy being together, since thats what really matters anyway.

[Evi]

Now i can see how some gay people remain gay and believe in god and i guess thats a problem because for the most part, there has never been any justified recognition of gay unions/marriages in christianity or almost any other religion etc. (or at least that i know of).

"God" looks at "sin" just as any other sin. Outcasting a certain group of people is wrong and is against the teachings in the bible. All these hardcore anti-gay religious groups aren\'t doing what they\'re supposed to be doing. They just don\'t f^ing get it. But you\'re right...there has never been an accepted gay union in Christianity. But again...what a lot of extreme religious groups don\'t understand is it isn\'t any worse in "God\'s eyes" than what the people themselves, who have no right to judge anyway, are doing every single day.

Outcasting a group of people is freaking stupid...

agree 100% evx

of course it\'s only the zealots you see yelling into a camera on the news.  hey it makes good tv

Originally posted by EviscerationX
Outcasting a group of people is freaking stupid...

agreed

[Evi]

of course it\'s only the zealots you see yelling into a camera on the news. hey it makes good tv

That\'s the sad truth...

[Jumpman]

What ever happen to "oh we\'re all different and unique in our own way" when attemting to explain their hard-ons for Richard Simmons? My personal belief is gay people are huge hypocrites in that sense from wanting to marry under that name.  Why even stop at gay marriage. How about polygamy next?

Originally posted by Jumpman
How about polygamy next?

That\'s why God invented Utah.

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sorry sammy, we can\'t get married.