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The very notion of black victimhood is idiotic
« on: June 17, 2005, 09:03:57 AM »
Posted on Thu, Jun. 16, 2005

The very notion of black victimhood is idiotic

By Walter Williams is professor of economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va


If you listened to the rhetoric of black politicians and civil rights leaders, dating back to the Reagan years, you would have been convinced that surely by now black Americans would be back on the plantation. According to them, President Reagan, and later Presidents Bush I and II, would turn back the clock on civil rights. They\'d appoint "new racists" dressed in three-piece suits to act through the courts and administrative agencies to reverse black civil rights and economic gains. We can now recognize this rhetoric as the political equivalent of the "rope-a-dope."

As my colleague Tom Sowell pointed out in a recent column, "Liberals, Race and History," if the Democratic party\'s share of the black vote ever fell to even 70 percent, it\'s not likely that the Democrats would ever win the White House or Congress again. The strategy liberal Democrats have chosen, to prevent loss of the black vote, is to keep blacks paranoid and in a constant state of fear. But is it fear of racists, or being driven back to the plantation, that should be a top priority for blacks? Let\'s look at it.

Only 30 to 40 percent of black males graduate from high school. Many of those who do graduate emerge with reading and math skills of a white seventh- or eighth- grader. This is true in cities where a black is mayor, a black is superintendent of schools and the majority of principals and teachers are black. It\'s also true in cities where the per pupil education expenditures are among the highest in the nation.

Across the U.S., black males represent up to 70 percent of prison populations. Are they in prison for crimes against whites? To the contrary, their victims are primarily other blacks. Department of Justice statistics for 2001 show that in nearly 80 percent of violent crimes against blacks, both the victim and the perpetrator were the same race. In other words, it\'s not Reaganites, Bush supporters, right-wing ideologues or the Klan causing blacks to live in fear of their lives and property and making their neighborhoods economic wastelands.

What about the decline of the black family? In 1960, only 28 percent of black females between the ages of 15 and 44 were never married. Today, it\'s 56 percent. In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it\'s 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense. A study of family structure in Philadelphia in 1880 shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925," "Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents." Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what\'s the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery - a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs.

Since black politicians and the civil rights establishment preach victimhood to blacks, I\'d prefer that they be more explicit. Were they to be so, saying racists are responsible for black illegitimacy, blacks preying on other blacks and black family breakdown, their victimhood message would be revealed as idiotic. But being so explicit is not as far-fetched as one might think. In a campaign speech before a predominantly black audience, in reference to so many blacks in prison, presidential candidate John Kerry said, "That\'s unacceptable, but it\'s not their fault."

 
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2005, 09:46:31 AM »
^^^he is an uncle tom...;)....seriously tho i didn\'t know only 30 -40% of black males graduate from high school..:confused:..s**t maybe that\'s from the urban area\'s. i would have to believe that the graduation rate would be higher in a more prestigious or suburban area.

all i have to say is that alot of what he states is true...there is alot of black on black crime in the inner city, and truthfully, even tho alot of white people are scurred ;) to come thru those urban area\'s they really have nothing to worry about, as most would think that they were comin thru for drugs anyway...

i admit i do complain about racism at times, but it\'s for reason\'s that i\'ve personally experienced. he\'s wrong about the welfare part tho and it just show\'s that he\'s basing that statement on what he see\'s on tv and how blacks are portrayed on tv...the fact is that there are more whites on welfare than black people. hey i know black people got alot of s**t goin on with them, just like any other race, but if you\'re gonna throw facts around  Mr "educated" :rolleyes: blackman at least get that part right...

Now as far as some blacks havin that victim mentality or how some feel whites owe us? that is bulls**t...i know that racisim was and still is a bad thing, but to have or want some type of huge payout is just crazy. it\'s wrong eos...

i\'ve lived in area\'s where the people was on some ol wild wild west type s**t...i mean you could hear gunshots right outside your window and it was nothing new...again even tho these area\'s wasn\'t that great, at times i would say "damn even tho we\'re livin in these area\'s (projects)..we can still keep the place clean and respectable. i say that because some of those apt\'s would have dirty hallways...graffiti, smell like piss or just have some thuggs hangin out sellin drugs in hallway...

point is just because you live in a poor area doesn\'t mean you have to just not give a f**k. when i did live in those area\'s you could come into my apt and be like "damn even tho the outside is f**ked up he\'s got a nice crib". but the thing is is that the same thing could be said of every race.

this is gettin long but one last story...i was in atlanta about a week ago and i was with a realtor...her car overheated and we had to stop on the side of the road to get some water..so i seen this house.i mean a ran down shack...only reason i went there was because i saw some white kids playin out in front (trust this place looked like no one should be livin in it)...long story short..i received some water from the people livin\' inside this house and i kid you not there was garbage and s**t all over the place....i\'m sure that they were probably the nicest people you could meet, but i just mentioned that to reinforce what i stated about every race havin\' issues with them....
« Last Edit: June 17, 2005, 09:53:21 AM by clips »
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 10:12:05 AM »
True that there are more whites on welfare, but that is only due to the fact there are more whites than blacks overall.  Percentage wise there are more blacks on welfare than whites.  Also their reasons for being on welfare are exactly the same as their black counterparts - they either are lazy and/or have little or no education.

Yes, there is a lot of white trash in the South.
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2005, 06:13:20 AM »
sadly no other black members have contributed to this thread :(... whenever there\'s a serious issue concerning the afri. american race nothing is being stated or commented on. oh i get it now, it\'s ok to post pics of women and to look at how fat their asses are and or to post pics of sexy comic book charac...oh wait a minute...i do those things! :p...seriously tho....qdog, bs, nicon, some comments...:)
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2005, 06:46:03 AM »
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sadly no other black members have contributed to this thread :(... whenever there\'s a serious issue concerning the afri. american race nothing is being stated or commented on. oh i get it now, it\'s ok to post pics of women and to look at how fat their asses are and or to post pics of sexy comic book charac...oh wait a minute...i do those things! :p...seriously tho....qdog, bs, nicon, some comments...:)


maybe they can\'t read? It says "he illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it\'s 70 percent."


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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2005, 07:03:49 AM »
oh c\'mon 70%??  That\'s a little tough to believe.

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2005, 08:44:44 AM »
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sadly no other black members have contributed to this thread :(... whenever there\'s a serious issue concerning the afri. american race nothing is being stated or commented on. oh i get it now, it\'s ok to post pics of women and to look at how fat their asses are and or to post pics of sexy comic book charac...oh wait a minute...i do those things! :p...seriously tho....qdog, bs, nicon, some comments...:)

No, its just that sometimes i just dont like to deal with the silliness and strongly opinionated comments that people swear are completely factual. Im generalizing, but i just dont feel the need to trouble myself with such crap. Gets me worked up sometimes.

Anyway, to jump in briefly this guy.... idk. He\'s attacks some rather stupid things. A handful of Black politicians for the most part do seem to be a bit off their rockers. Big shock. Why even contest their ideas when its almost common knowledge that these guys are a little radical in some of their views?

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Across the U.S., black males represent up to 70 percent of prison populations. Are they in prison for crimes against whites? To the contrary, their victims are primarily other blacks
This was a big fucking surprise :rolleyes:. Like anybody expected that the majority of black committed crimes were against whites. Low lifes that commit such crimes anyway would be too damn scared to even think of stealing off of some white person. Perhaps the 70% prison population was a stronger wake up call, but the whole white part was pointless.

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The strategy liberal Democrats have chosen, to prevent loss of the black vote, is to keep blacks paranoid and in a constant state of fear. But is it fear of racists, or being driven back to the plantation, that should be a top priority for blacks? Let\'s look at it.
Is this really their strategy? I dont know about you but when it comes to presidential elections and such, i dont see the core runners screaming "dont vote for this guy, hes going to oppress your ass." Perhaps if you consider sharpton etc. to be a core runner. I wont deny that he has a pretty decent influence over the black community but are we really to believe that if somebody like bush gets elected, then we need to fear racists and "being driven back to the plantation"? I dont see why the demographic of people in the US changes so much based on who gets elected. Thats bullshit. Perhaps im pulling the wrong message from his statements but thats a fallacy if ive ever heard one.

This is giving me a headache. Eh, i had another paragraph written here but im just tired of it already. The decline of the black household? Agreed. Something did happen to the black household in some sense, and id like to see this guy actually tackle what is wrong ( and i dont think you can blame everything on welfare alone) and maybe offer some damn solutions instead of being some typical, seemingly educated black making a typical "the playing field is completely level" speech that really does nothing but fuel the whole, "why arent blacks doing anything about it" idea. I dont think its that easy.

Sorry, maybe im ranting, but my family is plenty educated (can you say Yale) and nobody around here is spewing out this nonsense.

In any case, the idea of black victimization is taken to an extreme in many cases (among blacks) and in that idea he is correct. I just think there is a lot of underlying ideas in his message that are kinda defunct.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2005, 08:56:18 AM »
see nicon, i knew you had it in you,..nice post bro...;)
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2005, 04:20:37 AM »
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said: "If we could have known you\'d be like this, we would have picked our own damn cotton..."

The car had south carolina plates. Go figure.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2005, 04:40:52 AM »
I thought most of the crimes by blacks are on blacks. Afterall...ain\'t too many whites in the bad neighborhoods....so statistically....it\'s not surprising.
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