ps3 $399

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by mm
LIC, i dont think you own a single console

I\'d like to know how you figure this. Why? Because I don\'t bow down before the almighty Sony. I enjoyed my PSone just fine (prefered my Saturn tho\'), but I can\'t say I have enjoyed the PS2 all that much.

Originally posted by Unicron!
Some of you people act as if VF1 was the best thing ever and just that game alone equals to succesful launch.
What other games were released really? :rolleyes:
Not to mention that the Saturn version was buggy.And old.

Huh? No one is acting like VF1 was the greatest thing ever. I never even said the Saturn was a succesful launch, infact, it was a terrible surprise launch.  It wasn\'t until VF:Remix that we saw any potenial power that the Saturn offered. The argument was that the PSone lacked true launch titles, along with the PSTwo and PSP. I look at the lists and I can honestly say that the PSone had the best launch of the three and if Nintendo or Sega would of been on the ball, then the PSone launch would be considered subpar at best.

The same could be said of any game after several months.

Not true.......

Super NES = Super Mario World. Still a great game.

Nintendo 64 = Mario 64. Still an amazing game.

Dreamcast = Soul Calibur ... Still the all time best 3D fighting game.

The same can\'t be said about "any game after several months". A true game stands the tests of time and a crap game, like Toshiden won\'t ...

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip

Huh? No one is acting like VF1 was the greatest thing ever. I never even said the Saturn was a succesful launch, infact, it was a terrible surprise launch.  It wasn\'t until VF:Remix that we saw any potenial power that the Saturn offered. The argument was that the PSone lacked true launch titles, along with the PSTwo and PSP. I look at the lists and I can honestly say that the PSone had the best launch of the three and if Nintendo or Sega would of been on the ball, then the PSone launch would be considered subpar at best.

But then there is no point arguing about Sony having a weak launch since all companies have the same problem

Also remix was released a year or two after the Saturn\'s launch

PS1\'s launch in Japan lacked.But I remember it having some great titles when it launched outside Japan.It was a stonger launch than Saturn\'s.Not the best but it was better and wowed.
Jumping Flash, Warhawk, Twisted Metal, Battle Arena Toshinden, Ridge Racer and specifically WipeOut really made the Saturn look weak despite that it had potential to compete the Playstation.

Ok you can say that Battle Arena Toshinden shows gameplay issues now(God its full of them) but back then they didnt show as much.Characters didnt have many moves and the Pal Version I had was terribly slow but it was probably the first true 3D fighting game and was enjoyable as a first effort.I ve spent hours and hours on it.It was also atmospheric for a game of its time.

I agree though that PS2\'s launch was weak.But it did have a few good games.It suffered for the same reasons Saturn\'s launch suffered thanks to its acrhitecture and unfinished library tools.
Fortunately though there were a few good games to choose from.And Onimusha didnt come late either.

[GmanJoe]

LIC\'s personal opinion greatly differs from mine. PS2\'s launch games were awesome, IMO.

I still play SSX as well as Dynasty Warriors 2. In fact...SSX was quite a successful game. How can you say it was a flop without sounding so biased? Those games sold millions of copies. That\'s about an objective of an opinion as one can get. I know numbers doesn\'t equal quality but if we\'re to leave personal opinions out, that\'s the simplest way. The PS2 was THE most successful console debut so far. None have equaled it before or since (GC got the most ho-hum debut).

Yeah SSX was a great launch title.I dont know about Dynasty Warriors though.It was good but nothing comparable to what SSX was I think.
It got more praise than it deserved.Especially about the graphics.Some sites talked so much about its graphics supposedly having tenths of characters on screen all at Soul Calibur\'s detail.
Probably I am blind because I havent seen that detail they were talking about yet.
Yep probably thats it....I saw lots of fog.
The gameplay didnt feature anything that couldnt be done on PS1 either.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Unicron!

The gameplay didnt feature anything that couldnt be done on PS1 either.

Every Dynasty Warriors version from 2 and up have sold over a million copies. Each.

The gameplay feature of DW2 was calculating several battles at once in a stage with over a thousand participants. This was also Koei\'s 1 of two games that debuted on the PS2. They still were sort of noobs with this. The PSX would have melted into your carpet if it had to do that.

Holy cow...aren\'t you the one who argued about how unsuccessful Dynasty Warriors was at the Main Forum??? You need to step back. Arguing is not your forte.

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Originally posted by GmanJoe

Holy cow...aren\'t you the one who argued about how unsuccessful Dynasty Warriors was at the Main Forum??? You need to step back. Arguing is not your forte. [/B]

i was thinkin\' the same thing...didn\'t you cats already settle this argument?

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Every Dynasty Warriors version from 2 and up have sold over a million copies. Each.

The gameplay feature of DW2 was calculating several battles at once in a stage with over a thousand participants. This was also Koei\'s 1 of two games that debuted on the PS2. They still were sort of noobs with this. The PSX would have melted into your carpet if it had to do that.

Holy cow...aren\'t you the one who argued about how unsuccessful Dynasty Warriors was at the Main Forum??? You need to step back. Arguing is not your forte.

Its irrevelant how much it sold.As I said the game isnt bad.But its not great either.Its just good.

I didnt say that the graphics can be done on a PS1.I ment the gameplay.

About the over thousand participants they existed on the map.But not on screen at the same time.They were separated in packs and you faught those packs separately.
There was no draw distance either.

That game was no indication of the PS2\'s true capabilities and I am sure that its easily doable on a DC.

As for the last part I didnt say that Dynasty Warriors was unsaccesful.Dont put words I didnt say in my mouth.

L-I-C found the opportunity to twist my words and started a pointless 3 page arguement about things I didnt mean.Dont start it again.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Unicron!
Its irrevelant how much it sold.As I said the game isnt bad.But its not great either.Its just good.

I didnt say that the graphics can be done on a PS1.I ment the gameplay.

About the over thousand participants they existed on the map.But not on screen at the same time.They were separated in packs and you faught those packs separately.
There was no draw distance either.

That game was no indication of the PS2\'s true capabilities and I am sure that its easily doable on a DC.

As for the last part I didnt say that Dynasty Warriors was unsaccesful.Dont put words I didnt say in my mouth.

L-I-C found the opportunity to twist my words and started a pointless 3 page arguement about things I didnt mean.Dont start it again.

LIC destroyed you.

What?He destroyied me?Oh God.Why did you tell me?Show some mercy.Please.I am doomed....

Btw something tells me that Sony will have Sega\'s fate this generation.

One of the reasons Sega couldnt compete with Sony was because of the saturn\'s high manufacturing cost and weaker financial strength.The Playstation could be sold cheaper and Sony had the ability to lower the price even more.

A great blow to Sega that made them feel uneased.

MS seems more like Sony and Sony seems more like Sega back in 1994.MS is financially stronger, and XBOX360 is cheaper to produce.
If the PS3 doesnt offer the difference people are expecting and its sold $100 more, interest will be lost for it and move towards XBOX360 which would already have more titles available when PS3 becomes available and not to mention that MS might lower the price even more when that time comes.
Losses could be worse than expected and revenues lower

Sony might be overtaken by the arrogancy Sega had a decade ago

[Living-In-Clip]

Uni, you don\'t belong in a debate with people who actually have an IQ.

As for SSX, I bought it and I still don\'t see why anyone considers it a good game. That\'s my opinion, but I don\'t think you can argue that an EA game, like SSX qualifies the PS2 launch as a "good launch". At best, it was a diamond in the rough (if you are to believe that it was a good game, to begin with).

And Uni, if you are going to argue that the gameplay didn\'t feature anything that couldn\'t be done on the PSone, then just stop right there. You could not fit that many characters on screen on the Psone. So, just shut the hell up.

Oh dear lord its L-I-C the mr polite-know-it-all!Show mercy.Poor me.....I am doomed.Please dont destroy me

The PS3 isnt doomed.  People will spend $400 for the technology.  By the time the hype dies down the console will be at 300-330$.  

When gamers see Grand Theft Auto,  Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13,  Metal Gear Solid 4 etc on PS3,  they will buy it.  The games will sell this machine maybe not early on,  but 1-2 years in its life younger gamers will get the money for it

Xbox360 has only Halo

So, fine, purchase 360 to get cheap next gen graphics.  Sort of like getting a cheap thrill.  Games suck,  though

Start saving your money now,  friends

Or,  you could always go cheap.  The choice is yours

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Unicron!
Oh dear lord its L-I-C the mr polite-know-it-all!Show mercy.Poor me.....I am doomed.Please dont destroy me

That\'s fine, avoid the point.
The point, for the record was............

I didnt say that the graphics can be done on a PS1.I ment the gameplay.

About the over thousand participants they existed on the map.But not on screen at the same time.They were separated in packs and you faught those packs separately.
There was no draw distance either.

You are saying that the gameplay could of been done on the PSone, when it couldn\'t. The graphics was a direct influence to the gameplay, due to the fact you had so many characters on the screen. It\'s an example of, graphics influencing gameplay. And while you was fighting "packs", it was still more than the PSone could handle, at least in a reasonable manner.

It\'s just another example of you chiming in, when you are clueless.

When gamers see Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, Metal Gear Solid 4 etc on PS3, they will buy it. The games will sell this machine maybe not early on, but 1-2 years in its life younger gamers will get the money for it

Xbox360 has only Halo

That seems very narrow minded. MS only has HALO? What about Perfect Dark Zero? Project Gotham Racing 3? The list goes on and on. Granted, none of them are as big titles as the PS3 (which none of appeal to me, then again, none of MS\'s line up appeals to me either). No, the PS3 isn\'t doomed. Don\'t recall saying that. We are arguing that it is to high priced for the main consumer on launch day. Then again, Sony\'s hype can do a lot, otherwise how would they stay in business selling subpar electronic equipment?

[Living-In-Clip]

Uni, I don\'t care if you don\'t want to debate the point and just admit defeat, that\'s fine. Don\'t make this thread even longer with responses like the last previous two. I\'ll just delete them. If you want to debate, that\'s fine, otherwise STFU.