ps3 $399

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I feel the same about games. All you people who buy game systems for DVD playback are crazy. Go buy a DVD player. I don\'t want a \'jack of all trades, master of none\'. I want a dedicated game system, just like I want a dedicated DVD player.

I must be crazy then. My PS2 is hooked up to my PC, which is hooked up to my 21 inch LCD widescreen monitor. My PS2 plays DVD movies all the time.

You like all that clutter of cables? If the console can play games, music and movies....I don\'t see why that is crazy.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Hey genius, I never said MS and Sony would want to replace their consoles every 3- 4 years. I simply said, if it happened, a price drop would have to happen.

My point is - THAT\'S NOT gonna happen. So why even bring up the "if that happens" factor since it would be just lunacy on Sony and MS.

Originally posted by alliswell
These points are faithful and true

A.  The PS3 is not overpriced.

B.  The PS3 is NOT a game machine aka video game console.

C.  Sony never intended the Playstation to be only a game machine.  Multi-functioned computers (PS3) cost more than game machines ex: 360, Revolution



Sony is going in the multi-function direction,  which,  IMO,  brings more masses to its product.  Not that many people will buy a video game machine for their kids,  but they will buy an entertainment computer that can play games for their kids,and  play their Hi-Definition movies etc.

  The PS3 is a steal at 4 or even $500.  That is reason alone to buy it. I was searching the web for a HI-Def DVD player now I dont need to anymore I found one.  And it is very high end,  too.

Let\'s look.  Pay $100 more for a PS3 over the 360 and you get:

-  Hi-Definition movie playback  ($300 DVD Player)

-  A 1080P DVD player   (Add 50-100 to High Def DVD player)

-  A system that can act as a hub for network friendly devices  ($70 wireless G router)

-  Built in wireless internet connectivity  ($80 wireless G card)

-  The fastest graphics processor of the next gen machines

Thats worth $100 more to me

I would have agreed with you only if competition wasnt strong or if Sony was alone in this "battle".
Relative to how well XBOX360 will offer and do in the market these dont have the same signifigance.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
If consoles life spans shorten, then the price has to come down. General consumers cannot justify $300 - $400 upgrades every four years.

thats a very huge IF.Its almost impossible to happen if not totally impossible

[Living-In-Clip]

I must be crazy then. My PS2 is hooked up to my PC, which is hooked up to my 21 inch LCD widescreen monitor. My PS2 plays DVD movies all the time.

You like all that clutter of cables? If the console can play games, music and movies....I don\'t see why that is crazy.

Because PS2 / Xbox DVD playback is piss - poor? Because I rather have my five-disc changer? Because I rather have a DVD player with all the great options, instead of a stripped down player in a console?

Because PS2 / Xbox DVD playback is piss - poor

So very true, anyone with a nice Digital SDTV or HDTV has no business using a console as a DVD player. In defense of the console makers, most people probably would not be able to tell the difference sound quality and picture quality wise since they have shabby hook ups(Cheap tv\'s or cheap cables etc...)

[GmanJoe]

5 years ago, the PS2 DVD player was on par with other DVD players. You\'re comparing that to DVD players that came after. The slim PS2 has progressive scan and is a much better quality than the old PS2.

Next.

5 years ago, the PS2 DVD player was on par with other DVD players.

Where did you get this info from. More importantly could you be a little more specific in terms of what DVd players in comparsion you are referring to, cause alot of the players from $380(which were the ones most people bought, (since the $70 ones did not exsist then) and up had better picture quality , features and sound transport than the ps2. As I said eairler most people probably would not be able to tell the difference picture quality wise, due to the reasons I stated above.

The same has to be true for Sony\'s stripped down Blu-ray player, After all a the stand alone ones are going to cost the same as PS3 once they get cheap.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Where did you get this info from. More importantly could you be a little more specific in terms of what DVd players in comparsion you are referring to, cause alot of the players from $380(which were the ones most people bought, (since the $70 ones did not exsist then) and up had better picture quality , features and sound transport than the ps2. As I said eairler most people probably would not be able to tell the difference picture quality wise, due to the reasons I stated above.

The same has to be true for Sony\'s stripped down Blu-ray player, After all a the stand alone ones are going to cost the same as PS3 once they get cheap.

There was a review made by one of those online electronics site. They did a comparative review and found it to be a decent player. However, they also noted that the DVD player in the US PS2 was almost a year old since it\'s debut in Japan. IGN also did a review back then and had similar opinions.

After all a the stand alone ones are going to cost the same as PS3 once they get cheap.

Once they get cheap. It\'ll be atleast a year or more before the dedicated Blu-Rays cost lower than a PS3. Admit it, comparing my \'00 PS2 to today\'s DVD player is not a fair argument.

[Living-In-Clip]

Better yet, all you people worried about Blu-Ray, exactly why do you think the industry will want to move away from DVD? People have spent a ton of money on DVD\'s, the general public does not have a high-end HT and does not want to upgrade past DVD.

The console was only 300 bux. The DVD playback was a welcome addition for some. I have 2 DVD players at one house and 4 TV\'s. Being able to watch DVD\'s anywhere i game is an added plus. Quality isnt an issue with me really. I\'ll still watch a VHS/Beta without complaining.

I guess it all depends on what your standards are and what you do and dont need. True, for those that really dont give a shit about blu ray, having to pay and extra bill is somewhat of a pain. Its not the end of the world and if one decides to wait for a price drop then thats their choice. Also, hopefully storage space wont be an issue with HD DVDs because then it will be a different story (though i doubt it will be).

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Better yet, all you people worried about Blu-Ray, exactly why do you think the industry will want to move away from DVD? People have spent a ton of money on DVD\'s, the general public does not have a high-end HT and does not want to upgrade past DVD.

Good question that\'s always discussed on the internets but being that BR players can read standard DVDs it\'s not much of an issue compatibility-wise.

The real issue is getting people to switch over based on better quality, and this is a matter of letting people see what they\'ve been missing.  Viewing a movie in blocky, low res mpeg-2 with 4:2:0 color sampling just doesn\'t cut it anymore to people who\'ve seen HDTV in action.  The world watches too much TV to settle with 640x480 NTSC/PAL in the 21st century.  Hell the last "big" thing to happen to TV was color in the 60s.

You can still enjoy a movie with DVD but evolution is a natural step.  Just like going from PS2 to PS3.

Admit it, comparing my \'00 PS2 to today\'s DVD player is not a fair argument.

No, Cause I never compared it to todays players. I was comparing it to my Panansonic DVD player that I purchased at the time of PS2 launch in the US. I also still stand by my statement that the PS2 DVD was not of the same calibur as any of the mid priced, stand alone players.

There was a review made by one of those online electronics site. They did a comparative review and found it to be a decent player

Here take a look at thisreview

"So, we took my PS2 down to the local electronics store and compared it side-by-side to component DVD players, primarily Sony’s from $249.99-$349.99 (you can call this the control group), playing the same chapters of the same DVD’s on an A-B flipper. The PS2 held up okay, though it did pale a bit when it came to picture brightness and rendering flesh tones"

But forget that review, I compared my PS2 to my stand alone player, and while I do agree the PS2 DVD is decent and does the job more than adequte for the mainstream user, it still laged behind. As the other poster mentioned it all comes down to standards.

[GmanJoe]

Well, it\'s all moot right now. Sony has set Blu-Ray in stone and we\'ll see how the public takes it. Chances are, the PS3 will sell very well and people will demand HD quality movies over the standard DVD by then. At least that\'s what MS and Sony are hoping for.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by THX
Good question that\'s always discussed on the internets but being that BR players can read standard DVDs it\'s not much of an issue compatibility-wise.

The real issue is getting people to switch over based on better quality, and this is a matter of letting people see what they\'ve been missing.  Viewing a movie in blocky, low res mpeg-2 with 4:2:0 color sampling just doesn\'t cut it anymore to people who\'ve seen HDTV in action.  The world watches too much TV to settle with 640x480 NTSC/PAL in the 21st century.  Hell the last "big" thing to happen to TV was color in the 60s.

You can still enjoy a movie with DVD but evolution is a natural step.  Just like going from PS2 to PS3.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Well, it\'s all moot right now. Sony has set Blu-Ray in stone and we\'ll see how the public takes it. Chances are, the PS3 will sell very well and people will demand HD quality movies over the standard DVD by then. At least that\'s what MS and Sony are hoping for.

I disagree. People don\'t want to rebuy their collections.

the movie companies desperately want a new format that can\'t be copied as easily as DVD.  DVD was cracked right off the bat by some dumbass company that left their encryption key available to the public.  

But no matter what they do, encryption will always eventually be defeated.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I disagree. People don\'t want to rebuy their collections.

Who said anything about rebuying?  Anyone can migrate to the newer players when available and start to pick up any new titles they buy in HD.  Watch your old ones as much as you like.

Even if you don\'t have an HDTV you can see the difference pretty dramatically in the increased color sampling ratio, coupled with no mosquito noise and blockiness.