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Offline GigaShadow
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« Reply #135 on: October 05, 2005, 10:07:56 AM »
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Ward Churchill is one person, that is hardly a reasonable example to prove your point.


Simply amazing.  Go back and bury your head in the sand DH, but before you do read this:

Liberalism pays off at American universities


By BILL O’REILLY
Published Monday, February 7, 2005
There are so many nutty professors around this country, Jerry Lewis could sue all day long. The Ward Churchill controversy is just the headline - the real story is the radicalization of the nation’s college faculties.

Churchill, as you might know, is the University of Colorado "Ethnic Studies" teacher who wrote an essay saying that those Americans killed inside the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, were not actually civilians, they were "little Eichmanns" - as in the Nazi Adolf - people who hurt innocents because they worked for large corporations. Churchill went on to call the 9/11 killers legitimate "soldiers."

Seeing merit in Churchill’s ravings, a Hamilton College literature teacher named Nancy Rabinowitz invited him to speak at the upstate New York school and agreed to pay the man $3,500. Previously, Rabinowitz tried to hire 1960s radical Susan Rosenberg to be an "activist-in-residence" at Hamilton College. The problem was that Rosenberg had spent 16 years in prison for possessing explosives. When the alumni at Hamilton found out about that, some short fuses were lit. Rosenberg got the boot.

And so, eventually, did Churchill, but not before major angst. When some journalists exposed Churchill and questioned the appropriateness of giving him a platform, Hamilton vowed it would not be swayed - the man would appear at the college in defense of free speech! Less than a day later, Hamilton President Joan Hinde Stewart canned him after a nationwide outcry against her foolish position.

So what exactly is going on here? To understand the craziness on campus, you have to first look at the stats. According to a survey done by UCLA, 48 percent of college faculty members and administrators identify themselves as either liberal or far left. Just 18 percent say they are conservative or far right. So the prevailing wisdom on campus is decidedly progressive and aggressively politically correct.

If you challenge the leftist orthodoxy, watch out. Harvard President Lawrence Summers is still bruised after saying some women might not be as good as men in math and science. Well, I did the math on this one. The women who complained defeated Summers 800 to 0, or something like that.

But at Northeastern University, across the river from Harvard in Boston, economics Professor Shahid Alam opined that the 9/11 killers were similar to the Founding Fathers. According to Alam, the al-Qaida thugs died so "their people might live free and in dignity." In response, the faculty at Northeastern has said nothing. No doubt distracted by the women-math deal.

All over the country, far-left ravings on campus are acceptable and sometimes even embraced by fanatical faculty. Legitimate dissent has degenerated into hate speech and vile descriptions of America. Many of these so-called teachers, like Ward Churchill, have tenure, a dastardly con that protects teachers for life. They know they can’t be fired, so they become little Ayatollahs. And if you call them on their irresponsibility, you are a fascist or a racist.

One more example. That rascal Michael Moore ran around the United States before the presidential election, speaking at more than 50 colleges. Moore said he was trying to rally the campus troops to vote against Bush, as if they needed rallying. But what Moore really rallied was his bank account. Conservative estimates put Moore’s take for his bloviating at more than a million bucks, much of it paid for by student union fees.

America, it’s a great country. Especially if you don’t like it.

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Feb/20050207Comm003.asp
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« Reply #136 on: October 05, 2005, 10:11:40 AM »
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I voted, I\'m in college, so not everyone is lazy that is in college and I voted for Bush. Now if you\'d like to say lazy liberal college kids, then I\'d be fine with that.


You know exactly what I meant.  The kids Michael Moore and company were "mobilizing" failed to turn out.  Of course students such as yourself are a completely different story.
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« Reply #137 on: October 05, 2005, 10:51:38 AM »
I know I was just giving you a hard time.

SirX would fit right in here with downtown Austin and the hippies.

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« Reply #138 on: October 05, 2005, 11:03:27 AM »
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Oh yea...:rolleyes:

College is really a terrible  thing, isn\'t it. Getting an education - God, who would ever want to do that? When was the last time you were in college Bozco? Or didn\'t you end up going?

I\'d guess the latter given your propensity for these sweeping generalizations you are using to argue.

"Liberal stronghold" :rofl: Then why didn\'t liberals win the election?


I think we\'re confusing which one of us is uneducated here.  I haven\'t made any brash assumptions on things.  And did I say college was such a terrible thing?  All I said is that you can find a whole lot of liberal profs spouting their views even in classes that it doesn\'t belong.

Also, how would college campuses being a liberal stronghold be a direct tie to liberals winning the election?  I\'m really wondering if you thought out any of your post.

And yes, I\'m a full time student.
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« Reply #139 on: October 06, 2005, 06:07:10 PM »
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Oh yea...:rolleyes:

College is really a terrible  thing, isn\'t it. Getting an education - God, who would ever want to do that? When was the last time you were in college Bozco? Or didn\'t you end up going?

I\'d guess the latter given your propensity for these sweeping generalizations you are using to argue.

"Liberal stronghold" :rofl: Then why didn\'t liberals win the election?


Do you even think when you make posts like this, or are you making an effort to look like an ass.
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« Reply #140 on: October 06, 2005, 07:02:13 PM »
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Do you even think when you make posts like this, or are you making an effort to look like an ass.


Oh and you add worlds to the debate with posts like these...

 :rolleyes:
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« Reply #141 on: October 06, 2005, 07:26:16 PM »
Ghettomath, I\'m surprised you\'re willing to show your face in this thread.  Why is it that you can make a juvenile response to me but once I say something back you run away?

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« Reply #142 on: October 06, 2005, 07:35:14 PM »
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Oh and you and worlds to the debate with posts like these...

 :rolleyes:


If you had anything intelligent to debate against I\'d actually try.
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« Reply #143 on: October 06, 2005, 08:11:26 PM »
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Ghettomath, I\'m surprised you\'re willing to show your face in this thread.  Why is it that you can make a juvenile response to me but once I say something back you run away?


You said something about liberal professors on campus?

At least with my personal experience, the occasional professor that I have had who has either spouted their liberal OR their conservative beliefs in the classroom, I\'ve dismissed, as have my other friends who were in the class.

Professors don\'t have a "liberal stronghold" on college students. If you are smart enough to make it to college, you should be smart enough to form your own opinions and not immediately succumb to what some professor has to say.

And what\'s the alternative? Silence our professors? Your very own state of Ohio tried to pass a law muzzling professors, which I\'m sure you\'ve heard about, that failed miserably when brought to the vote. It stated that professors in classrooms couldn\'t say anything personal about their political beliefs. Not only was it a direct violation of the first amendment, but it placing far too much credit on college professors, and not enough on college students.

I ask those of you who are blaming MTV and liberal college professors as the cause of lemming-like-liberalism in America, when do the youth of America actually learn to think for themselves?

If it\'s not after the age of MTV, nor after college graduation, when is it?
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« Reply #144 on: October 06, 2005, 08:34:54 PM »
Whats wrong with liberal/conservative professors spouting their beliefs is that it can lead to a rift between the student and the faculty.  I\'ve seen many times a student being hurt because the prof\'s anger towards a political party is misdirected at the student and their grade.  It also just so happens that most teachers, especially in my college, are liberal.

and on another note, most teenagers are going to be going against the norm, in the case of today, conservatism.  In that light, they are going to cling on to every word the professor tells them because it reinforces their unfounded thoughts.  Believe it or not, but just because you are intelligent does not mean that you have any idea about politics.  I have some of the most intelligent friends spew the most idiotic statements on a political issue.

I do not however, support the "muzzling" of professors.  They have a right to say how they feel, but they should also have enough sense to know when is enough and when it is appropriate.  (We had a moment of silence in mourning over the loss of Kerry last year in my studio)
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« Reply #145 on: October 07, 2005, 12:48:55 AM »
Ghettomath, why didn\'t you address me like this the first time?  Making the assumptions you originally did made you look like an idiot, but if you first went at me like this it would have been a respectful discussion.  As for my response , Phil pretty much covered my views.

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« Reply #146 on: October 26, 2005, 11:15:34 AM »
and in other news, Cindy Sheehan gets punk\'d

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200510%5CNAT20051026a.html

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« Reply #147 on: October 26, 2005, 05:00:09 PM »
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« Reply #148 on: October 26, 2005, 05:44:50 PM »
yow nice find.  Even though it\'s downplaying her, I\'m still sick of hearing of that wench

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« Reply #149 on: October 30, 2005, 03:33:34 PM »
So far, I have yet to see any professor forcing liberal thought down students\' throats. Indeed, the obviously liberal professor of my Introduction to the Humanities class, during his lectures on Tolstoy and Baldwin, notes the dangers of letting societal norms dictate your personal paradigms. He does not "indoctrinate" us with anything, but stresses free-thought. Whether that thought is liberal or conservative is irrelevant, so long as we attain it by ourselves. And this is Stanford, a university that the uninformed would categorize as a liberal stronghold. So please, before you make ignorant genralizations... no, there\'s nothing you can do beforehand. Just don\'t make ignorant generalizations.
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