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[Evi]

I think he\'s referring to your usage of the word "began".

Originally posted by EviscerationX
I think he\'s referring to your usage of the word "began".

you know what? Fuck off

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???

I\'m not the one that brought it up. Avatarr and mm did. I honestly don\'t care.

hehehehe.

Okay okay, lemme jump in on the main wagon. 17 million bucks just get started is an extremely high figure. This information is by no means official and I think it stands on purdy shaky ground. But let\'s just say that it\'s true: 17 million bucks is fucking massive, especially in the game development industry.

I mean fuck, the full license for Unreal 3 is $750,000. That can buy you a delapidated house here in Sydney. A project with this engine would cost that + team member\'s salaries for maybe two years. 12 people at 50K/year each... that\'s another $1,200,000. $1,950,000 for a game. But with this $17 million, you haven\'t even started anything! No engine, no salaries, no nothing!

If this really were true only the really big guys would be able to get in. And 17 million being 17 million, the big guys will want to make sure that they get their money back. To do this, they\'re going to stick to established franchies, tried and true genres, etc. etc. There is no incentive to innovate and what you\'ll end up with is stagnation. Same shit, different smell, type of thing.

Here\'s a comment about which system is easier to develop for by the way.

id Software comments on the Xbox 360

The four key owners of id Software were on G4tv last night, and they had some interesting quotes that I thought I’d highlight in case you missed them:

John Carmack: “Xbox 360 has far and away the best development tools”

John Carmack: “[talks about software development support]…and the hardware is comparable”

Geoff: “So you don’t think PS3 is going to more powerful [than Xbox 360]?”
John Carmack: “PS3 is probably marginally more powerful, in terms of raw flops and graphic operations, but that’s not really the best way to look at things. When you look at these development cycles that stretch over years and years, being 20% easier to develop on is much more important than being 20% more powerful.”

John Carmack: “I make little nitpicky decisions about say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has over the asymmetric Cell approach, but you can do great games on either one of them, and I make fundamental decisions based on development tools and depth of documentation, which Microsoft has been superior on.”

I\'m sure someone here is going to find a way to make this look stupid or laugh at it with a stupid smiley, but hey, do whatever with this information.

John Carmack: “btw, microsoft sent me a check earlier for 34 million dollars to port quake 4 to xbox 360.  like my hat?  it\'s made of money!  oh,  xbox 360 is easier to code for and some shit like that"

Ahm...I thought Sony made sure that developers would have the appropriate tools that will make development easy btw.

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=34506&highlight=opengl

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35548&highlight=opengl

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=34405&highlight=opengl

Originally posted by Soul Reaver
I\'m sure someone here is going to find a way to make this look stupid or laugh at it with a stupid smiley, but hey, do whatever with this information.

hi5 to me for being right

huzzah

Meh Sony just isn\'t a software company. As much as I hate MS, I have 300% more confidence in them to provide better development tools than in Sony.

oh, so they\'ve provided delelopment tools for consoles more than once before?

[Jumpman]

Why are we arguing you know nothing is going to compare to the vibrator controller wielding Revolution.

The Nintendo Revolution is the only console I\'m lining up for.

Originally posted by mm
oh, so they\'ve provided delelopment tools for consoles more than once before?

Don\'t give me that cheek baby. The software development process isn\'t defined soley by the hardware platform. Ever since Visual C++ 1, Microsoft has been refining their skills in catering for the needs of software developers. Not to mention the fact that they\'ve been refining their software development processes for themselves, ever since they started. They understand it a lot better than Sony.

And may I assert that I understand it a lot better than you. So please, just agree with me.

Originally posted by Avatarr
Don\'t give me that cheek baby. The software development process isn\'t defined soley by the hardware platform. Ever since Visual C++ 1, Microsoft has been refining their skills in catering for the needs of software developers. Not to mention the fact that they\'ve been refining their software development processes for themselves, ever since they started. They understand it a lot better than Sony.

And may I assert that I understand it a lot better than you. So please, just agree with me.

fuck you avy but you are telling the truth. Nobody can argue that not even MM.

With nVidia developing the graphics chip for PS3, it can\'t be too hard to make games for it. Unlike the PS2 which didn\'t have a graphics specialist working up their chips and software..