Guantanamo detainee resorts to suicide.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/31/AR2005103101987.html

Lawyers believe Dossari, who has been in solitary confinement for nearly two years, timed his suicide attempt so that someone other than his guards would witness it, a cry for help meant to reach beyond the base\'s walls.

Two dozen Guantanamo Bay detainees are currently being force-fed in response to a lengthy hunger strike, and the detainees\' lawyers estimate there are dozens more who have not eaten since August. Military officials say there are 27 hunger strikers at Guantanamo Bay, all of whom are clinically stable, closely monitored by medical personnel and receiving proper nutrition.

The hunger strikers are protesting their lengthy confinements in the island prison, where some have been kept for nearly four years and most have never been charged with a crime. The most recent hunger strike came after detention officials allegedly failed to honor promises made during a previous hunger strike.

I am concerned.  

Three U.N. experts said yesterday that they would not accept a U.S. government invitation to tour Guantanamo unless they are granted private access to detainees, a concession the U.S. has not been willing to make, citing the ongoing war on terror and security concerns. Last week, the United States invited the U.N. representatives on torture and arbitrary detention to the facility, and the experts said yesterday that they hope to visit in early December. But they described their demand for access to the detainees as "non-negotiable."

"They said they have nothing to hide," Manfred Nowak, U.N. special rapporteur on torture, said yesterday at a news conference in New York. "If they have nothing to hide, why should we not be able to talk to detainees in private?"

This sounds a tad hypocritical after the US\'s vehement demand for complete access to the nuclear facilities in North Korea.

:rofl: at "hunger strikes"

Are these inmates even human?

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Are these inmates even human?

I think so Giga. They do still breathe and feel pain and anguish. Actually, I don\'t thinke they ever stopped being human.

So, I don\'t understand your questions? Are you saying that the perception that these people are ruthless killers has dehumanized them? If so, every person that kills is not human then. Therefore, are our troops, government and supporters of "legal killing" not humans?

Just a thought.

So moonbat, according to you our troops and government are ruthless murderers?  Our troops behead people and strap bombs to themselves with the intent of killing innocent women and children?  

Yeah I bet you "tear" the Christian conservatives at your school apart. :rolleyes:  Also please refrain from using the word "think" in any of your posts as we all know you are incapable of doing so.

[clips]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Are these inmates even human?

the ONLY thing that\'s troubling about this whole scenario is that there is the possibility that some of these people are indeed innocent and i would only be concerned of those that are...but the one\'s that are truly our enemy, sheeit,.. let them starve..or give\'em pork chops.....

[Jumpman]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Also please refrain from using the word "think" in any of your posts as we all know you are incapable of doing so.

:lmao:

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
So moonbat, according to you our troops and government are ruthless murderers?  Our troops behead people and strap bombs to themselves with the intent of killing innocent women and children?  

Yeah I bet you "tear" the Christian conservatives at your school apart. :rolleyes:  Also please refrain from using the word "think" in any of your posts as we all know you are incapable of doing so.

According to your logic, these people are not humans because of their actions. It is irresponsible you to categorize these people and dehumanize them solely based their actions or in most cases what you THINK their actions could possibly be. They are still humans and if we claim to uphold the value of human life as high as we say we do, then the respect for human dignity should stretch across all borders and not be ignorant to not include those that are considered the enemy.

Any kind of loss of life by the hands of another is murder and it is irrelevant on which side it is on. We might thinkwe are fighting the good war and they think likewise about their goals. You crossed the line when you targeted human dignity and the respect for human life. You\'re right, they have no respect for human life, but as morally charged individuals, we must accept their humanity regardless of their actions. Otherwise, we are not any better than they are.

And the last part of your post...I do.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
According to your logic, these people are not humans because of their actions. It is irresponsible you to categorize these people and dehumanize them solely based their actions or in most cases what you THINK their actions could possibly be.

Categorize them as terrorists who took up arms against our country?  Yes that is really irresponsible. :rolleyes:  Like I said don\'t hurt yourself trying to think.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
They are still humans and if we claim to uphold the value of human life as high as we say we do, then the respect for human dignity should stretch across all borders and not be ignorant to not include those that are considered the enemy.

Would they afford you the same "dignity"?  Hugs and kisses won\'t appease Islamic fundamentalists.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
Any kind of loss of life by the hands of another is murder and it is irrelevant on which side it is on. We might thinkwe are fighting the good war and they think likewise about their goals. You crossed the line when you targeted human dignity and the respect for human life. You\'re right, they have no respect for human life, but as morally charged individuals, we must accept their humanity regardless of their actions. Otherwise, we are not any better than they are.

Is it not obvious that appeasement and talk will not sway them from their goal of an Islamic world?  You claim you can think critically about things - I don\'t see it.  They have one objective and that is the destruction of the west and a theocracy where everyone on the planet carries a Koran.

This is a war against Islamic Fundamentalism and with war comes death.  I am sorry your professors can\'t grasp that concept and teach you that utopia does not exist and never will.

[clips]

Originally posted by SirMystiq
According to your logic, these people are not humans because of their actions. It is irresponsible you to categorize these people and dehumanize them solely based their actions or in most cases what you THINK their actions could possibly be. They are still humans and if we claim to uphold the value of human life as high as we say we do, then the respect for human dignity should stretch across all borders and not be ignorant to not include those that are considered the enemy.

Any kind of loss of life by the hands of another is murder and it is irrelevant on which side it is on. We might thinkwe are fighting the good war and they think likewise about their goals. You crossed the line when you targeted human dignity and the respect for human life. You\'re right, they have no respect for human life, but as morally charged individuals, we must accept their humanity regardless of their actions. Otherwise, we are not any better than they are.

And the last part of your post...I do.

aw hell mystiq,...i gotta agree... everything you stated is true even tho they are killers, we still have to show that we are above and beyond what they are...but still and let\'s be honest here...i was and still is against the war in iraq....but you can\'t deny that some of these people want violence no matter what the outcome...and it\'s clear that these people don\'t care about the iraq people themselves since they have been blowin up these so called "mosques" (spel) that innocent iraqi civilians have been prayin\' to....:rolleyes:

like i stated before i was and still is against the war, but these people that are doin this s**t in iraq now? are not fighting for what they believe in,...they are just bein assholes...i mean really...what\'s done is done...if they really cared they would just let the iraqi people rebulid iraq and move forward with their lives...

I understand giving them some type of human treatment but if they are going to starve themselve they can have at it, I don\'t think we are responsible for there well being except to feed and make sure they don\'t escape, remember 99% of these people are there for a very good reason.

And why is ok Mystiq for these people to blow us up, but when we put a boot to there head or hit them or torture them its not ok? Are you really that naive? And most the people at SMU got there becuase there parents 1 went there or 2 money.

[SirMystiq]

I just don\'t think that we as "normal" humans can judge others and dehumanize them on grounds of their offenses toward us. It is our moral charge to not judge but to be the better person.

I never sait it was ok.


What does my school have to do with it? I mean what you said is true but I\'m obviously not rich and the first one in my immidiate family to go to college, so what does that have to do with anything?

[Evi]

I think you\'re blowing the humanity thing a little out or proportion. It was just a small comment.

Originally posted by SirMystiq


What does my school have to do with it? I mean what you said is true but I\'m obviously not rich and the first one in my immidiate family to go to college, so what does that have to do with anything?

quotas.

Seriously I could care less where you go to school, you use the fact that you go to school there to some how legitimize that some how your thoughts are actually somewhat coherent because you run around all the white kids at your school. Who cares.

I have every right to judge and just because you don\'t think anyone does then oh well.