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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2005, 11:24:14 AM »
Cue Bowling for Columbine cartoon.
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2005, 11:52:48 AM »
Hmm, seems the riots are getting weaker. Or maybe not, that dumb fuck Sarkozy said a few things that might stir things up again.

France is also deporting 120 immigrants (both illegal and those who have a residence permit).

The extreme right wing parties suggested the military should be called in, giving the military authority to shoot to kill. I bet the extreme right will benefit from these riots, not only in France but across Europe.
Thanks Chirac.
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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2005, 12:07:07 PM »
Bowling for Columbine????  Hasn\'t word reached Sweden yet that the movie was fictional?  

Sarkozy was the only official that had the right idea and if France would have cracked down on these scum on the very first night it wouldn\'t have escalated.  The French police are wimps as well - if these thugs had any fear or respect for them they wouldn\'t have even tried this.

This so called "riot" happened under the left\'s "tolerant" and "placating" watch.  Funny, for all of the crap Europeans (especially the French) sling at the US - our integration of immigrants is decades ahead of the European model.  Burn Paris burn!  What was that again about how bad the US looked after Katrina?  Oh wait, riots all over France?!?!  The Socialist Utopia is burning?!?!?
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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2005, 12:10:48 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2005, 01:16:34 PM »
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Bowling for Columbine????  Hasn\'t word reached Sweden yet that the movie was fictional?


No, in fact its required by law that it be used in schools when we study American society. :)


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Sarkozy was the only official that had the right idea and if France would have cracked down on these scum on the very first night it wouldn\'t have escalated.  The French police are wimps as well - if these thugs had any fear or respect for them they wouldn\'t have even tried this.


Sarkozy is an idiot. He wants to get rough with people who already have it bad. His trying to put the fire out with gasoline.

I dont agree with the people who are rioting now I think there ar better ways to bring attention to yourself, but I can understand why they are doing this.
France has had a very bad immigration policy. They have totally failed to integrate the immigrants to French society. Instead they have placed these people in the ghettos where there is no work and low quality schools. Most of these people havent had a chance to become anything. Instead the government has closed their eyes and hoped this would go away.
I think the government had this coming for a long time.

This is a problem in many European countries. The countries accept immigration but they forget to help these people once they are inside.
They are instead thrown in these immigrant packed places and forgotten. The people need to be integrated into society, they need jobs (and not only taxi driver jobs, some of these people have a very high education in their home country, USE IT!).

This has happened in Sweden, but I see a shift in policy. The social democrats have cut down immigration and are trying to clean up these affected suburbs. Sweden is far away from where France is right now, I dont know how they could let things go so far, hopefully most European countries wake up.

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France isnt socialistic, Chirac runs a centre-right wing party. But its true that part of this blaim should go to the socialists, they too have had a flawed immigration policy.
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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2005, 01:23:23 PM »
If they just did some large, organized peaceful protests maybe many more people would want to understand their message.  If you start burning my neighbor\'s cars and mine too, make it unsafe to walk the streets, and kill people, you might be put a little higher on my sh!tlist

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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2005, 01:26:28 PM »
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Bowling for Columbine????  Hasn\'t word reached Sweden yet that the movie was fictional?  

I\'ve yet to see the proof of this.
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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2005, 01:39:42 PM »
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No, in fact its required by law that it be used in schools when we study American society. :)


I hope you are joking.  Seriously.



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France isnt socialistic, Chirac runs a centre-right wing party. But its true that part of this blaim should go to the socialists, they too have had a flawed immigration policy.


France isn\'t Socialist?  Could have fooled me.  In name only is the head of the French government "centre-right".   The French goverment controls large shares of activity in all of its economic sectors.  That my friend is what us capitalists consider socialist.

Secondly, Europe\'s open door immigration policies are coming back to haunt them.  It is not the responsibility of Europe or North America to give jobs and citizenship to the third world.
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« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2005, 01:45:51 PM »
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I\'ve yet to see the proof of this.


Google is your friend.  Here is but one write up of many about the film and the liar Michael Moore.

Unmoored From Reality
An ideological con artist is the favorite for an Oscar.

Friday, March 21, 2003 12:01 a.m.

With Hollywood in a fever pitch against the war in Iraq, Michael Moore is likely to win the Oscar for Best Documentary at Sunday\'s Academy Awards. "Bowling for Columbine," Mr. Moore\'s work of anti-American propaganda, has grossed over $15 million, an amazing sum for a film billed as a documentary. But the film, a merry dissection of America\'s "culture of fear" and love of guns, is filled with so many inaccuracies and distortions that it ought to be classed as a work of fiction.
Mr. Moore is naturally a big hit among the French. The jury at the Cannes Film Festival created a special, one-time only award to honor his film and then gave it a 13-minute standing ovation. "Not since Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer have we seen such a successful export of anti-Americanism," observes Andrew Sullivan in London\'s Sunday Times.

Mr. Moore plays into all of the worst stereotypes and distortions about America. "Bowling for Columbine" attempts to explain interventions by the U.S. military as rooted in an inherently violent domestic culture. "I agree with the National Rifle Association when they say, \'Guns don\'t kill people, people kill people,\' " he told NBC\'s "Today" show. "Except I would alter that to say, \'Guns don\'t kill people, Americans kill people.\' We\'re the only country that does this, and we do it on an personal level in our neighborhoods and within our families and our schools, and we do it on a global level. The American attitude is that we believe we have a right to just go in and bomb another country. This is where Bush is going right now, right?"
To make this strained connection, Mr. Moore tries to make us believe that the two mentally disturbed high school students who massacred their fellow students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., grew up in a community that has a sinister connection to the military-industrial complex. A Lockheed Martin factory in Littleton manufactures "weapons of mass destruction," Mr. Moore claims. The factory actually makes rockets that carry TV satellites into space. And the very title of Mr. Moore\'s film is based on a deception. It refers to the bowling class that the Columbine killers supposedly took the morning they committed their murders. The only problem is that they actually cut the class.

Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new Weatherby," a rifle.

But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore\'s film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you\'re looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks."

Mr. Moore makes the preposterous claim that a Michigan program by which welfare recipients were required to work was responsible for an incident in which a six-year-old Flint boy shot a girl to death at school. Mr. Moore doesn\'t mention that the boy\'s mother had sent him to live in a crack house where her brother and a friend kept both drugs and guns--a frequently lethal combination.

Some of the fact-bending and omissions of "Bowling for Columbine" could charitably be chalked up to really sloppy research. (I called the chief archivist for Mr. Moore\'s film, Carl Deal, yesterday, but he hasn\'t called back.) Others show a willful aversion to the truth. Mr. Moore repeats the canard that the United States gave the Taliban $245 million in aid in 2000 and 2001, somehow implying we were in cahoots with them. But that money actually went to U.N.-affiliated humanitarian organizations that were completely independent of the Taliban.

David Hardy, a former Interior Department lawyer who delights in debunking government officials and pompous celebrities, has uncovered even more evidence of Mr. Moore\'s distortions. The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness. Another speech is described as being given immediately after the Flint shooting . In reality, it was made almost a year later. All of these and more inaccuracies can be found at Mr. Hardy\'s comprehensive Web site.

Ben Fritz ofSpinsanity.org also notes that Mr. Moore has "apparently altered footage of an ad run by the Bush/Quayle campaign in 1988" to buttress his claim that racial symbolism is frequently misused in American politics. His leading example is the case of Willie Horton, a murderer who became a major issue in the 1988 presidential campaign. Mr. Moore shows the Bush ad that generically attacked a prison furlough program in Michael Dukakis\'s Massachusetts . Superimposed over the footage of prisoners entering and exiting a prison are the words "Willie Horton released. Then kills again." While the caption appears to be part of the original ad, Mr. Moore actually inserted it; the ad made no mention of Horton. (Another ad, sponsored by the National Security Political Action Committee, a conservative group independent of the Bush campaign, did mention Horton; it aired only briefly in a few cable markets.) The phony Moore caption also is inaccurate; Horton brutalized a Maryland couple and raped the wife, but didn\'t kill anybody while on furlough.

In print, too, Mr. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. In his "Stupid White Men," his best-selling book, he blithely states that five-sixths of the U.S. defense budget in 2001 went toward the construction of a single type of plane and that two-thirds of the $190 million that President Bush raised in his 2000 campaign came from just over 700 individuals, a preposterous assertion given that the limit for individual contributions at the time was $1,000.
When CNN\'s Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off the quesiton. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I mean, I don\'t respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said.

"Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said.

"No, I don\'t. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?"

Mr. Moore would deserve an Academy Award if there were an Oscar for Best Cinematic Con Job. If "Bowling for Columbine" is a comedy, most of its fans don\'t know it. They actually believe they\'re watching something that is in rough accord with reality.




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« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2005, 01:53:05 PM »
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I hope you are joking.  Seriously.


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France isn\'t Socialist?  Could have fooled me.  In name only is the head of the French government "centre-right".   The French goverment controls large shares of activity in all of its economic sectors.  That my friend is what us capitalists consider socialist.


Left-right differs a lot (I think) depending on whether your sitting in the US or in Europe.
What you call left wing in America we might see as right wing or middle ground.

UMP is considered a centre-right conservative party.
European parties are not black or white, sometimes they are grey barrowing ideas from the left or right.

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Secondly, Europe\'s open door immigration policies are coming back to haunt them.


For France sure. Why? The governemnt hasnt done its job properly. Its their job to intergrate the new immigrants which they havent done.
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« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2005, 09:38:59 PM »
Muslims love to be pissed off and fuck shit up.

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« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2005, 09:54:12 PM »
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Not sure why the military isnt doing anything.
 



Ha... like the French even have a military.  It\'s more like, oh zhit guys.... France is destroyed again!  Ohhhhh Americanssssssss, welcome, thanks for fixing our country, now watch us as we fuck you guys over in every international problem!

Seriously, let France burn to the ground for all I care.  I do enjoy my freedom fries though.
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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2005, 12:11:31 AM »
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Ha... like the French even have a military.  It\'s more like, oh zhit guys.... France is destroyed again!  Ohhhhh Americanssssssss, welcome, thanks for fixing our country, now watch us as we fuck you guys over in every international problem!

Seriously, let France burn to the ground for all I care.  I do enjoy my freedom fries though.


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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2005, 04:51:22 AM »
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For France sure. Why? The governemnt hasnt done its job properly. Its their job to intergrate the new immigrants which they havent done.


Don\'t most Europeans find French a bit...well...snobbish towards non-French people?  Even Canadians here hate teh French Canadians. So I\'m in the opinion that no matter how much effort the French Gov\'t tries to integrate the Muslim and and Black population, the French may still descriminate against them.
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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2005, 09:25:59 AM »
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Don\'t most Europeans find French a bit...well...snobbish towards non-French people?  Even Canadians here hate teh French Canadians. So I\'m in the opinion that no matter how much effort the French Gov\'t tries to integrate the Muslim and and Black population, the French may still descriminate against them.


The general consensus is yes, they seem very snobby/arrogant. But I think that is mostly true for Parisians. My parents have experienced this while on vacation in Paris. They were very badly treated at the airport and at the hotel (!).

I don’t think the rest of the French population is like that.

I have an Italian friend living in south France right now and I asked him if he has seen any of this. He said the locals are very friendly not at all like some people in Paris.
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