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Offline Ghettomath
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« on: November 26, 2005, 06:29:32 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 07:16:52 PM »
there are no \'civilians\' over there
when thier army puts on a uniform, then you can distinguish them

in the meantime?  don\'t lead them as far
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2005, 07:25:51 PM »
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there are no \'civilians\' over there
when thier army puts on a uniform, then you can distinguish them

in the meantime?  don\'t lead them as far


Oh? Uniforms are all there is to it eh?

I\'m going to go ahead and call..

BULLSHIT

...on that one.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2005, 07:31:12 PM »
bullshit?

ever hear of the gevena convention?
look it up, you might learn something

oh, from that site you linked
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If you find the information presented at Iraq Body Count useful please consider making a donation.

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2005, 07:43:57 PM »
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bullshit?

ever hear of the gevena convention?
look it up, you might learn something

oh, from that site you linked

:rofl:


Gevena convention? No.

I highly doubt, mm, if Iraqis were to simply slap on uniforms on the army it would solve the civilian casualities problem in Iraq.

And as for the site taking donations. Come on. So do most other non-profits. This site is as clean as I\'ve seen them come.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2005, 08:11:11 PM »
it sure as hell would help if they had uniforms. But why would they when they have the advantage of catching us by surprise when they dress like a civilian. Considering they are "civilians" and not an official organized army.

You cant say it would wipe out civilian casualties all together..sh*t happens in the midst of war, theres unfortunate collateral damage, theres enemies that put stuff in populated spots knowing that people like ghetto will go ape if any of those civilians around the targets are touched.

However, IF they did have a uniform, a lot of things would be black and white with who to kill and who to leave alone. But that will never happen so why bring up them having uniforms.

People in the military want to come home..if that involved having to kill a suspicious person, not being able to tell whose civilian and whose terrorist, theyd probably do it till the last moment they can wait to decide if hes holding a button under his sleeve or not.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2005, 08:26:51 PM »
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I highly doubt, mm, if Iraqis were to simply slap on uniforms on the army it would solve the civilian casualities problem in Iraq.


bro what dont you understand about a fucking culture that uses small children and woman as suicide bombers?

how can you isolate civilians from enemy soldiers then?
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2005, 08:17:15 AM »
But like Viper stated, getting insurgents to suit up in military garb is implausible and irrational - it\'s simply not going to happen.

That\'s why I called you on what a stupid statement it was.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2005, 08:23:48 AM »
So then you agree that the numbers for the civilians killed are skewed?

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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2005, 08:24:06 AM »
stupid?
bro, you\'re the expert on that

no uniforms + no distinction between  civilians and soliders = civilians dying

the entire country is a potential enemy when women and children are suicide bombers.

skewed?   it\'s propaganda and an outright exaggeration
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2005, 10:40:50 AM »
An article that fairly well summarizes my POV

This is an article I came across while surfing \'related\' literature on the net.  Please give it a read.

At the end of the day, nobody realistically expects insurgents to suit up in BDUs, that would be akin to suicide, as they are fighting an overwhelmingly superior force.  I generally don\'t have a problem even with suicide bombers - I would consider it a legitimate offensive weapon for the militarily outclassed, but they use it as such a weapon rarely (ie, targeting enemy army baracks, docked ships, etc).  Generally, they use it for terrorism where they specifically target civilians, and use civilians as shields.  Theirin lies the difference, while both sides ARE responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians, one side overwhelmingly (and overall) is trying to avoid civilian casualties, while the other is using their deaths as a tool.  That\'s what keeps the military in the moral right on the issue - period.

I didn\'t like the reasons that the US went into Iraq, I still don\'t buy their excuses, but that said, it was IMO the right thing to do (and should be done by them and the rest of the world in a few other nasty places), and now that they\'re there, they have a job to do.  Leave prematurely and they condemn far more civilians to a fate far worse than a bullet (Read oppression, rape, torture, followed by a bullet anyways).
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2005, 11:07:28 AM »
Oh, we can\'t pull out. It\'s far too late for that now, given the state of things.

Who cares about Iraqi civilian casualties? That\'s right, I said it. Who cares?

Disregarding mm\'s statements (which I largely agree with) you have to remember that Saddam was killing his own people at a catastrophic rate anyway.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2005, 04:36:45 PM »
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Who cares about Iraqi civilian casualties? That\'s right, I said it. Who cares?
 


Oh wow.

You\'re an asshole.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2005, 04:38:15 PM »
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 you have to remember that Saddam was killing his own people at a catastrophic rate anyway.


Yeah, with weapons of mass destruction he didn\'t have?
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2005, 05:11:18 PM »
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Oh wow.

You\'re an asshole.


Which side are you on anyway?  Liberal pie holes like you hope the "other side" wins for your own demented reasons.  Every US soldier that dies over there you secretly cheer inside don\'t you ghetto?  Admit it.  You hate this country and everything about it.  Fucking leave already.
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