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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2005, 07:14:46 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2005, 09:17:08 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2005, 09:44:42 AM »
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I don\'t care if it is the longest or shortest.  Coldest month of the year??? WTH does that mattter?  Oh black people hate cold weather, I forgot. :rolleyes:   Since when did one race deserve a whole month to itself?  Oh thats right you all have inferiority complex... silly me...  

As for Malcolm X :lmao: No Nation of Islam freak will ever get a national holiday - period.  There are many other people through our history who have done much greater things than either MLK or Malcolm X.  The PC police have already gotten rid of Lincoln\'s and Washington\'s holidays by condensing them into "President\'s Day", which isn\'t observed by many people, yet we have MLK day off??? WTF?

But our strength, as Richburg points out, comes from real principles: tolerance, brotherhood, hard work, personal responsibility, equality before the law. If Americans really cared about racial healing, they would focus on those ideas -- and not on a made-up rite that mistakes segregationism for spirituality and fiction for history."


hispanics and other races i believe also have a month dedicated to them,...you just don\'t hear about it as much as african american month,...and giga i didn\'t need the history lesson, tho that was an interesting read, i only stated that since everybody in their moma has a holiday, you shouldn\'t just pull out kwanza out of all of \'em...i\'ve never celebrated kwanza and probably never will, you might as well say that about hanakah (spell) as well, but i\'m sure you will give that some sort of signifigance..it doesn\'t matter to me really,...i just had to say something since you pulled out kwannza outta the bunch...

as far as malcolm x is concerned, yea i was kidding about the holiday as he was a bit raw for him to be given holiday, even tho i did agree with his tactics.."an eye for an eye"...were there other people deserving of a holiday other than mlk?, probably but the 60\'s was a huge turning point for civil rights and african americans...and quite honestly the 60\'s weren\'t that long ago...as far as the african nation in general?..i don\'t buy into all that "let\'s go back to the motherland s**t"...in that context it all goes back to responsibility...it\'s all relative,..to this  day i don\'t understand why those countries continue to fight amongst themselves and kill each-other, but like i stated in that thread started by "THX\'s gangster thread"....i can go into tha hood and see african americans or at least hear about them killin\' one another over dumb s**t...

you\'re about to put me on a soapbox giga, but it\'s kind of double edged sword,..alot of black folk will say,..."well how do you think these drugs and guns got into our neighborhoods?..yea the white folk put them there"...which is true to some extent, ..but that doesn\'t mean you have to use the drugs or that gun...yea i know it\'s easier said than done,..because me personally in my youth, i use to hustle cocainne,...and trust i can easily see how many people can get hooked on usin it and selling it... for me at the time i was 17 and makin close to 2000 a week... for a 17 yr old that was like heaven,..but even i got caught up in that drug game and ultimately i had to let it go...so when all is said and done giga i ultimately agree with your last paragragh, where it talks of equality and responsilbilty,...we still as a nation has some ways to go as far as equality, but i agree that people should be held accountable for the actions in whatever they do.....
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2005, 10:39:40 AM »
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hispanics and other races i believe also have a month dedicated to them,...you just don\'t hear about it as much as african american month,...and giga i didn\'t need the history lesson, tho that was an interesting read, i only stated that since everybody in their moma has a holiday, you shouldn\'t just pull out kwanza out of all of \'em...i\'ve never celebrated kwanza and probably never will, you might as well say that about hanakah (spell) as well, but i\'m sure you will give that some sort of signifigance..it doesn\'t matter to me really,...i just had to say something since you pulled out kwannza outta the bunch...

as far as malcolm x is concerned, yea i was kidding about the holiday as he was a bit raw for him to be given holiday, even tho i did agree with his tactics.."an eye for an eye"...were there other people deserving of a holiday other than mlk?, probably but the 60\'s was a huge turning point for civil rights and african americans...and quite honestly the 60\'s weren\'t that long ago...as far as the african nation in general?..i don\'t buy into all that "let\'s go back to the motherland s**t"...in that context it all goes back to responsibility...it\'s all relative,..to this  day i don\'t understand why those countries continue to fight amongst themselves and kill each-other, but like i stated in that thread started by "THX\'s gangster thread"....i can go into tha hood and see african americans or at least hear about them killin\' one another over dumb s**t...

you\'re about to put me on a soapbox giga, but it\'s kind of double edged sword,..alot of black folk will say,..."well how do you think these drugs and guns got into our neighborhoods?..yea the white folk put them there"...which is true to some extent, ..but that doesn\'t mean you have to use the drugs or that gun...yea i know it\'s easier said than done,..because me personally in my youth, i use to hustle cocainne,...and trust i can easily see how many people can get hooked on usin it and selling it... for me at the time i was 17 and makin close to 2000 a week... for a 17 yr old that was like heaven,..but even i got caught up in that drug game and ultimately i had to let it go...so when all is said and done giga i ultimately agree with your last paragragh, where it talks of equality and responsilbilty,...we still as a nation has some ways to go as far as equality, but i agree that people should be held accountable for the actions in whatever they do.....


First, you are correct I will give Hanukkah recognition since it does refer to a specific historic event which happened in 165 BC.  We are a Christian-Judeo country like it or not and that includes African Americans.  We recognize Hanukkah, Christmas and New Years as The Holidays.  In recent years the PC Gestapo has tried to give some validation to Kwanzaa - I refuse to.  It is not a holiday to be lumped in with the ones I previously mentioned.  It has no history and is only servers one purpose - to segregate a portion of this country from the rest of it.  In contrast every American does not have to be a particular race or ethnicity to enjoy Thanksgiving, Christmas (unless you choose not to) and New Years.  

I can see your argument regarding Hanukkah because it is a Jewish holiday, but then again it is deeply rooted in Judaism and anyone can convert to that faith if they wish to.  Also I would like to point out that Judaism is not a race - take a look at Sammy Davis Jr. if you don\'t believe me   :laughing: .

If people want to honor MLK for civil rights - that is fine, but that is relavant history to the development of this country, where as Kwanzaa is nothing but a ficticious holiday - do you get where I am coming from?  If Puerto Ricans made up some holiday to replace Christmas I would scoff at that just as I do Kwanzaa.  Christmas isn\'t about white, black, yellow, red or purple - it is about faith and God bringing his only son in to this world to save mankind.  Yes, that is a leap for some to believe, but what is wrong with it?  It hurts no one and excludes no one.  Not to try and make this debate about God, but I don\'t go to church, yet I do believe in God and to some Christian fundamentalists I am a sinner.  Christmas is different for everyone and yes I agree it has been over commercialized, but life is too short to be so pessimistic and I would rather enjoy it than criticize it.  

Kwanzaa is a creation to counter what one man perceived as an exploitation of his race - nothing could be further from the truth.  What I am getting at is there is no point in Kwanzaa other than to further inflame race relations in this country and to further point out that some don\'t want equality.
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2005, 01:36:54 PM »
you lost me with jewish holiday thing...i mean if you\'re jewish i would expect you to celebrate hanukkah,...i mean you can\'t convert to being jewish correct? where as you can covert to be a muslim and study islam...maybe i\'m missing something because i don\'\'t know enough of judaism to speak on it but that\'s how i see it...and yes christmas isn\'t about any race, in that sense i see where you are comin\' from i celebrate it for the exact same reason\'s you mentioned....but then again you are ok with hanukkah for the reasons mentioned but you sound like a bit of a hypocrite...if anything it should be about christmas only(the birth of god\'s only son) and that\'s it period....
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2005, 01:53:45 PM »
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you lost me with jewish holiday thing...i mean if you\'re jewish i would expect you to celebrate hanukkah,...i mean you can\'t convert to being jewish correct? where as you can covert to be a muslim and study islam...maybe i\'m missing something because i don\'\'t know enough of judaism to speak on it but that\'s how i see it...and yes christmas isn\'t about any race, in that sense i see where you are comin\' from i celebrate it for the exact same reason\'s you mentioned....but then again you are ok with hanukkah for the reasons mentioned but you sound like a bit of a hypocrite...if anything it should be about christmas only(the birth of god\'s only son) and that\'s it period....


One can convert to Judaism.  After all as I joked about before Sammy Davis Jr. wasn\'t born a jew.  Same as any other religion.  Despite what some claim Judaism is not a race - it is a religion.  Confusion over this is understandable since Hilter claimed he was going to destroy the Jewish "race" and Arabs want to destroy the Jewish "state".  Oddly enough, the Jews and the Arabs (the ones who are from Palastine are the genetically the same exact people - they are both semitic).  So an anti-semite technically means that they would hate both Arabs and Jews.  Religion is the only difference between the a lot of Israelis and Palestinians.  However, not every Jew in Israel is from Palestine, but from other parts of the world ie. Russia, Ethiopia, the US, Poland, etc.

As for me being a hypocrite about hanukkah - Jesus was a jew.  I don\'t see the hypocracy being that Christianity is tied heavily to Judaism.

I have no problem with any established religious holiday.  Kwanzaa not being religious, but created as a racially based alternative to Christmas - I do have a problem with.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2005, 01:55:35 PM »
I think this is all B-S Christmas is Christmas and has been 10 years ago none of this bullshit came up...

Without Christmas there would be no Kwanzaa(sp?) The problem that people have is that they don\'t celebrate one thing oh well, if I say Merry Christmas and you don\'t celebrate it who gives a fuck its a greeting, same as happy holidays, all this commotion is over nothing and it would be so much simpler if everyone in this country didn\'t have a broom handle up there ass when one side does one thing or the other.

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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2005, 03:00:50 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2005, 06:31:43 PM »
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Jesus was a jew.


It\'s highly likely that Jesus was black too. But you don\'t hear much about that now do you?
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2005, 06:36:03 PM »
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One can convert to Judaism.  After all as I joked about before Sammy Davis Jr. wasn\'t born a jew.  Same as any other religion.  Despite what some claim Judaism is not a race - it is a religion.  Confusion over this is understandable since Hilter claimed he was going to destroy the Jewish "race" and Arabs want to destroy the Jewish "state".  Oddly enough, the Jews and the Arabs (the ones who are from Palastine are the genetically the same exact people - they are both semitic).  So an anti-semite technically means that they would hate both Arabs and Jews.  Religion is the only difference between the a lot of Israelis and Palestinians.  However, not every Jew in Israel is from Palestine, but from other parts of the world ie. Russia, Ethiopia, the US, Poland, etc.

As for me being a hypocrite about hanukkah - Jesus was a jew.  I don\'t see the hypocracy being that Christianity is tied heavily to Judaism.

I have no problem with any established religious holiday.  Kwanzaa not being religious, but created as a racially based alternative to Christmas - I do have a problem with.



hmmm...interesting. i gotta admit reading your post clears up alot of things i wasn\'t sure about regarding that judaism thing...and it\'s true that those people of palestine and israel are basically the same people but that religion is what\'s separating them....in any case i\'m done with the kwanza argument....and i come away from your post giga.."enlightned" (spel)....:)
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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2005, 06:49:26 PM »
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It\'s highly likely that Jesus was black too. But you don\'t hear much about that now do you?


Who cares? He\'s a freaking religious figure, paint him what ever color you want. What does it matter? Nothing!!!

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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2005, 07:46:32 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2005, 07:48:15 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2005, 04:49:56 AM »
Giga what\'s the problem with people celebrating Kwanzaa? If you want to celebrate Casual Friday or Funny Hat Day, what the hell does it matter?

I don\'t know why you have a problem taking the day off on MLK day, either... It\'s a day off. Enjoy it.

I do, however, see your point on President\'s Day.

I dunno. I guess I don\'t get the problem with the holidays. Enjoy them if you want. Or treat Christmas as just another Sunday.

Shouldn\'t matter either way?

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« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2005, 05:43:52 AM »
I still don\'t think Jesus was black. With the "wooly hair" line in the Bible?

Please.

A lot of Jews also have curly locks. Suddenly the black community is like "OH SHIT! Jay-sus wa BALACK!"?
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