Come on Everybody Let\'s Wiretap!

I don\'t know Clips even with his SSN, you are black so they automatically knock a few hundred points off your credit . The Middle East may be a problem but because of who we are they would still be doing the same crap regardless if we were there or not, they\'d find some other way to get mad at us and fly two planes in to the buildings.

Originally posted by mm
what do you need civil liberties if you have nothing to hide?

stop being such a pussy

And why do you need the freedom of speech when you never have anything good to say?

Do you want to live your life normally and not be wiretapped and let terrorists have an easy way to communicate, or live your life normally and have the FBI know that your fucking the milkman and help deter terrorist from quickly and easily communicating.

If they suspect someone is a terrorist, they can get a warrant with all the proof they have that the guy is a terrorist.

Spying on innocent civilians is a waste of time, tax dollars and a blatant disregard for our personal freedoms. You know, that shit we\'re spreading around the world. That stuff our soldiers supposedly fight to protect.

-Dan

Originally posted by mm
k, keep standing in the "poor little me" line

that crutch looks good on you

Hey, how about you move to China? No civil liberties there, but the government GUARANTEES swift and sure protection from terrorism and subversion. After all, that seems to be golden advice conservative bigots like you love to hand out: "If you don\'t like it here, get the hell out."

Originally posted by GmanJoe
No forced confession, eh? I mean....the US soldiers are in a fierce fire fight...they capture several terrorists....they want to get answers from them about their leader\'s plans....a back rub will get the answers out or a pistol whip?

I\'m gonna go with the pistol whip.

As Dan said, why are we in Iraq, Gman? It had something to do with democracy, individual liberty, and humanitarian violations. Of course, I guess you could take the stance that the ends justify the means. So I ask you: should the very precepts of democracy be trampled upon so that a democracy can be established and maintained?

In the real world, however, a balance needs to be struck between ideology and practicality. In that sense, I was willing to turn a blind eye to the gratuitous conduct in Guantanamo and Abu Gharib, even when reports surfaced that innocent people were held for years before being released without being charged for a single crime. Selfishly, I wanted to protect my security. But wiretapping innocent people to make sure that they are in line with the government really brings closer the world Orwell feared so much.

[Viper_Fujax]

Originally posted by Eiksirf


If they suspect someone is a terrorist, they can get a warrant with all the proof they have that the guy is a terrorist.

Spying on innocent civilians is a waste of time, tax dollars and a blatant disregard for our personal freedoms. You know, that shit we\'re spreading around the world. That stuff our soldiers supposedly fight to protect.

-Dan

I agree that its tough to find the few terrorists out of a bizillion calls they probably tap. But im honestly fine with giving up privacy for it. If it wasnt this, it would be some other "thing we waste our tax dollars on."

I have a little more complex/complacent view of the war that would probably piss off both sides so im not going to get into that, but i do support the troops obviously. I think the problem with some peoples views is they think we live in a 100% democracy..theres no such thing and it would probably crumble/have some huge drawbacks like communism (not the same problems, but u get the idea) so people get defensive when they think their 100% democracy is not taking their opinion into account

I wasn\'t defensive until I saw it might be misguided and pointless, aside from the standard abuse of power.

If it makes u feel better, I support nude pyramid building in our prison system.

-Dan

[Viper_Fujax]

Originally posted by Eiksirf


If it makes u feel better, I support nude pyramid building in our prison system.

-Dan

as do i..being on the top feels awesome

Originally posted by Eiksirf
And why do you need the freedom of speech when you never have anything good to say?

oh, i forgot you guys neded to use your "civil liberties" last week


errm it was the week before that
wait, no....it was last month
damn...

and what does "freedom of speech" have anything to do with the internet for a PS2 forum?

i say what i think will rile the scamps, it\'s my duty

No, you just feel obligated to sound like a clueless toolbag.

Al Gore:

Fear drives out reason. Fear suppresses the politics of discourse and opens the door to the politics of destruction. Justice Brandeis once wrote: "Men feared witches and burnt women."

The founders of our country faced dire threats. If they failed in their endeavors, they would have been hung as traitors. The very existence of our country was at risk.

Yet, in the teeth of those dangers, they insisted on establishing the Bill of Rights.

Is our Congress today in more danger than were their predecessors when the British army was marching on the Capitol? Is the world more dangerous than when we faced an ideological enemy with tens of thousands of missiles poised to be launched against us and annihilate our country at a moment\'s notice? Is America in more danger now than when we faced worldwide fascism on the march-when our fathers fought and won two World Wars?

It is simply an insult to those who came before us and sacrificed so much on our behalf to imply that we have more to be fearful of than they. Yet they faithfully protected our freedoms and now it is up to us to do the same.

Protecting US citizens\' right to privacy is a simple responsibility that every conservative should understand and support.  Republicans shouldn\'t automatically support their president\'s illegal wiretapping simply because he is the figurehead of their ideology.  Use your brain and think for yourselves.

toolbag?

:rofl:

Yes, you!

Originally posted by Coredweller
Al Gore:
Protecting US citizens\' right to privacy is a simple responsibility that every conservative should understand and support.  Republicans shouldn\'t automatically support their president\'s illegal wiretapping simply because he is the figurehead of their ideology.  Use your brain and think for yourselves.

Al Gore - :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: is this guy even relevant anymore or is he still pouting about losing the 2000 election?

Core are you just another idiotic KOSkiddy who wears a Che t-shirt out on dates?  Right to privacy?  So you are willing to have people die here in the US just so you can have peace of mind that no one is being listened to.  Handcuff our government so it can\'t protect us?  Secondly, no one listens to these conversations unless key phrases are used and then an actual human being listens to them.  Clinton did the same thing as have other Presidents, but because this is GWB and the left\'s raving hatred for the man it has become an issue.

Since we are on the topic, the NSA "whistleblower" should be arrested as well.  If Scooter Libby can be indicted for outing a pseudo CIA agent - then this POS can be arrested as well.  We DO NOT NEED TO KNOW everything our government does.  If you believe we do, you are a fool.

Oh and Ghetto - the trials will never happen.  Those who filed the charges that the US has "spied" on them have no proof of this and only suspect they are being spied on and furthermore they have to prove it caused them "harm" in some way.  If you are talking to bad people, the government has every right to be spying on your sorry ass.

If somehow these wiretapings get stopped and another attack happens I hope every ACLU lawyer and their supporters are rounded up first for sedition.  The downfall of the country will be from within and the ACLU will be leading the way.

[GmanJoe]

You soap box jockeys need to go hug a tree.