thoughts on Iran?...

[clips]

i\'m kinda on the fence on this...i mean i kinda don\'t want iran not to have nuclear weapons, for fear of what they might do, then again, like i\'ve always stated the u.s. and others really have no right to say who should what. before the iraqi warbush went to the u.n. and stated what he wanted to do. China and others didn\'t like the war thing..so bush basically said "fuck ya\'ll" we\'ll do it alone...

I\'ve heard others in the bush admin. already talkin about bombing iran suppossedly nuclear factories. That is the type of things i mean about bush\'s policy. when you spout s**t like that how do you think it makes the other country feel? We already know that there was no wmd\'s in iraq, and you can\'t go around bombing countries on errant suspicions. Even if iran is pursuing nuclear weapons...it might be coming from those countries that the u.s. calls allies ie Britain, Russia, and the u.s. itself.....like i\'ve stated before the u.s. can\'t go around tryin\' to police the world..and it definitely needs to change it\'s policies....



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Don\'t worry clips - if the UN won\'t act - the Israeli\'s will.

If you have been following this you would know that Europe is actually on the same page as the US this time.  A nuclear armed Iran under its current theocracy is a danger to everyone, just look at the crap they spout every day.

Times have changed clips - the cold war was basically a detante where both sides knew that if they attacked there would be a mutual destruction of both.  These Jihadists don\'t care about that, after all they are going to get rewarded by "Allah" in the "afterlife".  It is the business of the world to stop countries like Iran from obtaining weapons capable of destroying cities and millions of lives in a blink of an eye.  Last time I checked we were a part of that world.

The Iranian government always struck me as being a little more intelligent than some of their peers (such as Saddam Hussein).  They seem to think more than one step ahead in situations like this.  Therefore, I\'m assuming their threats are just posturing to obtain a slightly better concession out of the western nations when negotiations are concluded.

They KNOW we will never let them have the capacity to enrich uranium to fission weapon levels.  If they did that, their regime would be finished.  They\'re just bullshitting with all this talk about "Our people will not bow to a few tyrannical countries who think they are the whole world" We have more bargaining power than it would appear.  We just need to figure out what non-nuclear chip they want on table  in order to concede.

I too look at their lastest statements just as you do - rhetoric.  What concerns me more is their views on Israel specifically.  I don\'t believe that is rhetoric considering that Iran has held the destruction of Israel as foreign policy ever since the 1979 revolution.  They have also reinforced this view by funding groups like Hamas.

Though, I agree I don\'t think they are as foolish as Saddam was, I do not think rewarding them for not pursuing nuclear weapons is the right thing to do.  I do believe that they have every intent on developing nuclear weapons and their song and dance routine regarding whether they will or won\'t is growing old.  One day they won\'t, the next day they thumb their noses at the rest of the world.

I also think it is the Iranian governments goal to become the dominant force in the Muslim world.  To acheive this, they are using the threat of developing nukes along with their policy on Israel to increase their influence.  Make no mistake - Iran is a theocracy and believe they only have to answer to God regardless of what we think is right or wrong.

[Titan]

I dont\' think the US will be threatened by Iran\'s nukes. You need a way to deliver it. I don\' tknow what their missile status is but I doubt they have ICBMs capable of reaching the US and I doubt they have long range bombers capable of reaching the US. Israel? Definitely. They can put a nuke on a MiG and deliver it if they wanted to.

The US isn\'t concerned with Iran\'s missiles hitting the US, simply because they can\'t,  but the troops stationed in Iraq and nearby...

And don\'t forget about terrorist groups like Hezbollah or Hamas, which have direct links with Iran...

Just let a bomb or 2 be "smuggled" or "stolen" (more like given) by one of them and I fear what may happen...

[clips]

More flexing of muscles by iran?..


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/09/iran.missiles/index.html



"One Israeli Cabinet member, Shaul Mofaz, recently said the Jewish state "will attack" Iran if it did not halt its efforts to develop nuclear weaponry,"


^^^I still don\'t fully trust iran on havin\' nukes,...just based on the fact in how some extremists are willing to die for the cause in a heartbeat, with no regard for human life whatsoever....so imagine iran with a nuke,..and somebody just happens to piss them off....i don\'t necessarily think that they would push the button for anything,...but i do think if they had a nuke, it wouldn\'t take much & they would talk alot more s**t than they are doin\' now.

 But the above statement is a bit concerning as well,...i somehow just don\'t like the way how israel also pops s**t and is more vocal, if only for the fact that they know the u.s. has their back....i don\'t think it\'s really wise to be talkin\' like that....i\'m still kinda shocked that they got away with bombing syria a few months back...at the end of the day tho,...i agree with everybody here..*yes even you giga*... in that iran shouldn\'t have nukes,...& i truly would like to give them the benefit of the doubt,..just because i really don\'t like other countries telling other countries what to do,..in this case tho,..i think it\'s justified.

[GmanJoe]

Obama seems to have flipped on his stance about negotiating with the loony leader of Iran. He made some speech recently about Iran being a threat to world peace or something.

More flexing of muscles by iran?..


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/09/iran.missiles/index.html



"One Israeli Cabinet member, Shaul Mofaz, recently said the Jewish state "will attack" Iran if it did not halt its efforts to develop nuclear weaponry,"


^^^I still don\'t fully trust iran on havin\' nukes,...just based on the fact in how some extremists are willing to die for the cause in a heartbeat, with no regard for human life whatsoever....so imagine iran with a nuke,..and somebody just happens to piss them off....i don\'t necessarily think that they would push the button for anything,...but i do think if they had a nuke, it wouldn\'t take much & they would talk alot more s**t than they are doin\' now.

 But the above statement is a bit concerning as well,...i somehow just don\'t like the way how israel also pops s**t and is more vocal, if only for the fact that they know the u.s. has their back....i don\'t think it\'s really wise to be talkin\' like that....i\'m still kinda shocked that they got away with bombing syria a few months back...at the end of the day tho,...i agree with everybody here..*yes even you giga*... in that iran shouldn\'t have nukes,...& i truly would like to give them the benefit of the doubt,..just because i really don\'t like other countries telling other countries what to do,..in this case tho,..i think it\'s justified.

We should have carpet bombed their entire "exercise" and we would have wiped out at least half their military.  That is the only country I firmly believe is led by crazy asses.  North Korea?  Nah - China can keep them in check.

I think whoever attacks Iran will be sorry.

Don\'t worry clips - if the UN won\'t act - the Israeli\'s will.

You still have faith in Israel after the Hezbollah debacle?

Edit: Oh, that was posted before that war.

[GmanJoe]

I think whoever attacks Iran will be sorry.

I bet it won\'t be the US. Too many troops are already out there. Hopeully Russia turns Iran into glass.

[clips]

Obama seems to have flipped on his stance about negotiating with the loony leader of Iran. He made some speech recently about Iran being a threat to world peace or something.

Obama never changed his stance...in a nutshell all he ever stated was that the u.s. needs to start talkin\' to their enemies,..even if we don\'t like them...and i agree,...why not just have a straight up one on one talk with people we don\'t get along with?....i agree that sometimes it\'s ok to go that route instead of goin\' thru all of that bulls**t redtape that involves other people speaking for their respected leaders.

you\'ll always have a representaive of one country speaking to another representative of another country, why not just sit both presidents down face to face to have an honest to goodness from gut talks about our misunderstandings and what we can do to resolve them?...i say do that first, then if nothing gets resolved THEN i say go thru your respected representatives to solve the matter,..since by then both leaders know what is expected of each-other.

I bet it won\'t be the US. Too many troops are already out there. Hopeully Russia turns Iran into glass.

I dont think Russia will, they seem to be on semi-friendly terms with Iran. They even offered to enrich Irans uranium so it could be used in nuclear power plants.

And I dont think Russia wants to help out the US in any way now considering how pissed off they are about whats going on in Europe.

It will probably be Israel with the blessings of the US. It will be interesting to see the Iranian retaliation.

[GmanJoe]

they\'ll have to cross Iraq to get to Israel. The US troops are there. I can see how this will get interesting for the US troops as millions of Jihadists will be stampeding across the desert to get to Israel. The US troops aren\'t exactly a speed bump.

Hmmm.....

I think whoever attacks Iran will be sorry.





You still have faith in Israel after the Hezbollah debacle?

Edit: Oh, that was posted before that war.

You actually believe the Iranian military is better than the Israeli military? :rofl: