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« on: March 08, 2006, 01:30:51 PM »
They developed missiles. I dunno why they are starting shit with the US. Its like me picking a fight with a football player. I\'d get messed up. Maybe instead of putting millions of dollars that they barely have on armament, they would put some into getting supplies so their people won\'t starve to death.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 01:32:52 PM »
should make something that would send the missile they fire at us to the middle east,heh.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 10:05:48 PM »
Don\'t discount North Korea as "silly" or "crazy." Kim Jong-Il is in fact a very rational actor. He knows that nothing short of an actual invasion of South Korea or the transfer of nuclear technology to terrorists will provoke a direct US response, so he continues such "silly" actions. These long-range missiles are being developed to extract economic concessions from South Korea, Japan, and the United States, as happened when they fired the Taepodong over Japan about 3 years ago. North Korea also tests these missiles to draw the US\'s attention away from the Middle East. If it is not high on the US priority list, it cannot expect to extract concessions of any value, simply because the US has bigger fish to fry.

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2006, 10:22:44 PM »
Oh trust me, North Korea is crazy.

A squad of NK cheerleaders being arrested because they spoke of what they saw in South Korea when they did a routine?  Sounds peachy.

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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2006, 10:30:13 PM »
Kim Jong-Il is more the nuts. You can be insane and still have a rational. Hell, bin laden is a pretty smart fella..even kicks ass at hide and seek.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2006, 11:13:26 PM »
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Oh trust me, North Korea is crazy.

A squad of NK cheerleaders being arrested because they spoke of what they saw in South Korea when they did a routine?  Sounds peachy.


That\'s a perfectly sensible thing to do for a regime as Orwellian as this. Kim\'s entire legitimacy relies on the belief that the DPRK is the true government of the Korean peninsula, and that the ROK is merely a puppet of American imperiliasm. He cannot allow images from the outside world, especially those that show the immense wealth of South Korea, to infiltrate North Korean society if he wants to hold onto power.

If Kim Jong-Il truly were crazy, he would not have survived the death of his father. Only a very competent and rational leader could have kept North Korea stable through the nuclear crisis, a decade of negative economic growth, and a famine that killed 2 million people (which is 5% of the population). What do I mean by stable? I refer to the fact that there have been no massive military purges, no massive refugee migrations, and no military coups or palace intrigue despite the calamities that have befallen the North.

Kim is very rational, however morally reprehensible he may be, and he is trying to reform his country by opening up to the world. This is demonstrated by 2002\'s price reform which significantly raised prices to create incentives for producers to increase their supply, increasing marketization, and the normalization of ties with the EU and "middle powers" (Australia, Canada, etc.). Other "quiet" but significant changes involve the dispatching of officials to Australia to learn about economic policies, invitation of many US experts to teach economic policies in North Korea, and the replacement of Russian with English as the required foreign language taught in high school.

North Korea is not crazy, just very insecure (as it should be, when its very existence is constantly at stake). Don\'t believe in the sensationalist images the media projects.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2006, 11:25:41 PM »
Hyper, your well though out, reasoned, and correctly typed replies don\'t belong anywhere near the PSX2C forums.

My prediction is still that the middle east will be a glassed over wasteland by 2020, and North Korea soon thereafter.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2006, 01:45:10 AM »
Haha, thanks. I hope you\'re not saying I shouldn\'t come here anymore, though.

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2006, 03:56:09 AM »
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Hell, bin laden is a pretty smart fella..even kicks ass at hide and seek.


Jokes on him, we\'re not even looking for him!

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 05:54:55 AM »
Kim has his spies kidnap hot Japanese actresses and forces them into sexual relationships.

Can\'t blame him, though. Anyone who looks like William Hung with a bad afro won\'t get too many hotties on his own.

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 07:24:11 AM »
Hyper making excuses for Kim Jong Il, go figure :rolleyes:

Who is next?  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

As for the no massive refugee assertion - not true.

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By 2000, there were frequent reports from reliable sources (such as the UN) of famine in all parts of North Korea except Pyongyang. North Korean citizens ran increasingly desperate risks to escape from the country, mainly into China.


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The reason he hasn\'t been assassinated is due to the "personality cult" he has created - dictators do that quite frequently.  Hitler is good example.  You can be smart and crazy at the same time.

Lastly, how is North Korea\'s existance at stake?  The US has no plans to invade NK and SK just loves them and is looking to reunify which they have been talking about.  The thing is - old Kim thinks that if reunification took place Korea would be modeled on the DPKR.  Crazy?  I think so.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 03:27:18 PM »
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Hyper making excuses for Kim Jong Il, go figure :rolleyes:

Who is next?  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

As for the no massive refugee assertion - not true.

The reason he hasn\'t been assassinated is due to the "personality cult" he has created - dictators do that quite frequently.  Hitler is good example.  You can be smart and crazy at the same time.

Lastly, how is North Korea\'s existance at stake?  The US has no plans to invade NK and SK just loves them and is looking to reunify which they have been talking about.  The thing is - old Kim thinks that if reunification took place Korea would be modeled on the DPKR.  Crazy?  I think so.


Again, this is typical of one who refuses to research the facts.

North Korea has legitimate security concerns. Why?

1) The Korean War ended in an armistice. A written non-aggression pact was never signed. This means that the US and North Korea are technically still at war.

2) North Korea faces a significant conventional and nuclear threat from the United States. There are 37,000 US troops stationed in South Korea and an equal number in Japan. The US also maintains hundreds of Lance-tipped nuclear missiles in South Korea.

3) North Korea is constantly exposed to hawkish rhetoric from top US circles. Bush has identifed North Korea as a part of the "Axis of Evil." The majority of US officials state that "regime change" is the top policy goal regarding North Korea.

4) The gap in military strength between the two Koreas is now insurmountable. The North Korean economy is 1/20 the size of the South Korean economy. This means that for about two decades, the ROK has spent enormously more on its military. The DPRK army has more in numbers, but its weaponry is overwhelmingly 1950s vintage. Because the DPRK faces massive fuel shortages and a flagging infrastructure, it would run into enormous logistics problems in the advent of war.

5) The North has lost the support of Russia and China, its two main patrons. Both Russia and China normalized ties with South Korea more than a decade ago. Thus, the DPRK has no allies to turn to in the advent of war.

6) The Asian region as a whole has one over-arching goal when it comes to North Korea - regime change.

7) What are the visible signs of North Korean insecurity? A significant example is Team Spirit. The US and the ROK held Team Spirit annually as a joint military exercise off the Korean coast. The purpose was to practice tactics, such as amphibious landing, that would be required in the advent of a second Korean War. Although the US and the ROK claimed the exercise was merely for practice, North Korea would mobilise its entire army and place the whole nation under red alert for preparation of a real war. This was because the DPRK could not trust US claims that the exercise was only for practice. Do you see how perceptions differ? Even if we claim that our intentions are benign, the DPRK still sees a threat because of the precarious situation it is in.

Crazy, for me, implies an inability to make rational policy choices. This is not true in the case of the DPRK. Given the situation that the DPRK is in - a failing military, withering US pressure, loss of significant allies - it has done exactly what any other country would do. It has pursued a nuclear deterrent and has been careful to avoid actions that could provoke a direct US military response (such as invading the South or transferring nuclear technology to terrorists). Kim Jong-Il has cut off societal contact with the outside world and pursued a personality cult to maintain power. He has also allowed dramatic economic reforms to reverse his country\'s negative economic growth, even though these reforms contradict his juche philosophy and could potentially undermine his legitimacy. Crazy? No. Rational and dangerous? Yes.

I am not defending the North. All South Koreans want reunification, and I am no exception. Labelling the North as crazy and refusing to accept the fact it has legitimate security concerns, however, leads to dangerous policy making by unnecessarily provoking the North. Instead of regime change, the US should soften its stance and pursue engagement, both economically and politically, to bring the DPRK to a soft landing.

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 04:28:39 PM »
But we would never use the nukes against north korea. We have them but we will never use them. North Korea has the balls to do it. From what you said, what do they have to lose? Everyone is against them so why not take a chance and use nukes?
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2006, 05:05:22 PM »
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But we would never use the nukes against north korea. We have them but we will never use them. North Korea has the balls to do it. From what you said, what do they have to lose? Everyone is against them so why not take a chance and use nukes?


Nukes are best used as a deterrent and thus defensive in nature. North Korea knows that firing a nuke would remove any constraints on the US and ROK. This would ensure its eradication and would be suicide. If North Korea truly thought it had nothing to lose, it would not be enacting these reforms to fix its system. What\'s the point of reforming if you\'ve got nothing to lose, right? Kim has seen countries like Cuba survive through decades of US pressure and economic sactions. As long as he does not provoke war, he knows he can ensure North Korea\'s survival while increasing the economic pie through reforms (perhaps based on the Chinese model).

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2006, 07:53:01 PM »
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Nukes are best used as a deterrent and thus defensive in nature. North Korea knows that firing a nuke would remove any constraints on the US and ROK. This would ensure its eradication and would be suicide. If North Korea truly thought it had nothing to lose, it would not be enacting these reforms to fix its system. What\'s the point of reforming if you\'ve got nothing to lose, right? Kim has seen countries like Cuba survive through decades of US pressure and economic sactions. As long as he does not provoke war, he knows he can ensure North Korea\'s survival while increasing the economic pie through reforms (perhaps based on the Chinese model).


I see your point but I dunno if they would allow capitalism in Korea. They\'re quite hardcore conservative communists. And I don\'t understand why we still have an embargo on Cuba. They aren\'t any threat and Castro has been quiet for years.
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