Good Gamespy article "Do Hardcore Gamers still matter ?"

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5)You imply that new gamers or even casual gamers cant understand many aspects of the story when the truth is that many times they can understand more than what some hardcore gamers can in MGS2.

6)You imply that new gamers cant be hardcore just because they never got the chance to play old games

1: I never implied any of that.

I simply said that if anything, the mass consumer is the one who jumps on the Kojima bandwagon. Why is that? Because that is the most popular game. I also never said that the mass consumer couldn\'t understand the story, I simply said the story was trash.

I also never implied that just because you didn\'t play the old games you can\'t be "hardcore", tho\' it certainly gives you \'street cred\' ( ). I will say that I don\'t take someone serious if they haven\'t played the classics and got into gaming durin\' the 32-bit era.

As for "not getting it"? What is there to get? It had good graphics, original game design and a crap story. I get it . If you like that nonsense story and runnin\' around in stealth, it\'s great game, but for me, a run\'n\'gun guy, it bored me to tears, which is the reason I traded it for my very first VHS porno.


You\'re grasping at straws, which is common for you.

Imo, Konami games like MGS2, SH2 made alot of ppl think & be interested in topics like ; government control, euthanasia, human heritage, the USA - Russia weapon/space race, etc.

If MGS2 made you interested in goverment control, well then I\'d hate to see what other "flawed masterpieces" like \'The Matrix\' does for you.
:Rolleyes:

Oh and PS.
Uni, you\'re the very essence of the mass consumer.

[Jumpman]

Go read this http://junkerhq.net/MGS2/index.html
, now.

Terrible website. It was tough enough to listen to that terrible dialogue in game. Why would anyone want to analyze every short and horribly insignificant attempt to adress a present day political issue?

"Fan work by: Artemio Urbina 2001-2006"

It\'s a blatent fanboy website. Nuff said.

I really wish sigs could be bigger than five lines, cause I honestly would do the honors of showcasing this work of garbage for everyone to laugh at years to come.

 

I totally agree. Casual gamers are usually the ones that find the MGS series boring and the story stupid since they are usually the ones that crave for mindless action something the series is not.

MGS is the first game IMO that has intellectual value. Some who have also read "1984" would know what I mean. Hideo Kojima is the first person to ever try to create a game thats not just a game but an interactive post modern literature with meaning and thought for our social, political, informational, or even biological structure of the present human consiousness.
Its very apparent that Kojima is highly influenced from literature and science. I am actually very astonished of Kojima\'s personal concerns and questions about the world which he expresses in the series. His points are very spot on to today\'s socialpolitical structure and I admire him for his work and for viewing the gamer like something more than just an uneducated, passive, mindless consumer.

-No, Kojima is COUNTING ON gamers being uneducated, passive, and a mindless consumer. Like Lic said, that is why MGS is so popular.
-Don\'t throw 1984 into the discussion in a desperate attempt to make you look smarter. Didn\'t work, and wasn\'t relevant.
-MGS was of course definitely not the first game that had intellectual value and its "intellectual value" would be the equilivant of any random Hollywood movie. But of course only you would think this because we all know you have no experience with anything other than Sony system which ironically has proven that they are indeed the greatest company at pulling in the mindless consumer because it is quite apparent that they pulled in you. Snnnap.
-Kojima has been influenced by high selling motion pictures with cheap stories, lots of action, and dumb attempts at trying to throw political themes into the mix in a desperate effort to give the impression of authenticity...which of course always fails.

mmmm Jumpman\'s brain is SOOO tasty. If only he had more brain to feed my hunger.

I simply said that if anything, the mass consumer is the one who jumps on the Kojima bandwagon. Why is that? Because that is the most popular game.

"3)You imply that hardcore gamers and casual gamerslike MGS2 for the same reasons"

I also never said that the mass consumer couldn\'t understand the story, I simply said the story was trash.

"2)You imply that all self claimed hardcore gamers necessarilly understand Hideo\'s points and story in the MGS series. You are living proof this doesnt happen."

I also never implied that just because you didn\'t play the old games you can\'t be "hardcore", tho\' it certainly gives you \'street cred\' ( ). I will say that I don\'t take someone serious if they haven\'t played the classics and got into gaming durin\' the 32-bit era.

"You imply that new gamers cant be hardcore just because they never got the chance to play old games

You imply that old gamers that never had the chance to try Kojima\'s older games cant be hardcore."

As for "not getting it"? What is there to get? It had good graphics, original game design and a crap story. I get it . If you like that nonsense story and runnin\' around in stealth, it\'s great game, but for me, a run\'n\'gun guy, it bored me to tears, which is the reason I traded it for my very first VHS porno.

If MGS2 made you interested in goverment control, well then I\'d hate to see what other "flawed masterpieces" like \'The Matrix\' does for you.
:Rolleyes:

"You imply that all hardcore gamers are well educated people when many of these hardcore gamers\' life is nothing but games games games and they often dont find the same appreciation in some other forms of art. MGS2 "coincidentally" borrows a lot from other forms of art like literature thus a "brainless" hardcore gamer(not all hardcore gamers) wont like many aspects of it because HE actually sucks"

Uni, you\'re the very essence of the mass consumer.

"9)You imply that there are no hardcore gamers that can like MGS2"


Even worse for you, you are the very essence of the mass consumer trying to get the credibility of a hardcore gamer



And most importantly learn to respect others people\'s likings and listen to what th

What?

that\'s the ugliest post i\'ve ever seen

[Jumpman]

it hurts my eyes

I\'ve told you guys some of my arguments about what imo, amongst other parameters, marks a group of ppl who have videogames as a central part of their mindset.

Enough, with all that mudslinging towards eachother and some particular games.

If you truly wanna contribute to the thread issue, then list me some concrete arguments & examples about what you think \'hardcore gaming\' IS and WAS about, and how you see it in present & future days.

[Jumpman]

Yeah..but no one cares what you think, Knotter(SLING).

why bother to post in my thread, then ?

You\'re just as irrelevant as anyone of us Jumpman. Face it.

[Jumpman]

I post in threads for my own amusement and sometimes to grace y\'all with the presence of greatness.

You\'re just as irrelevant as anyone of us Jumpman. Face it.

Yeah but look at my sexy avatar.

What a bad ass.

ah, ...ok

but if you possess such Greatness... could you then please help for the sake of all Hardcore Gamers ? Pleaaase ?

[Jumpman]

I always thought of the hardcore gamer as the guy who researches his games beforehand(educated...not in the works of fiction like Unicron), waits for the reviews, gets all the systems worth getting(sorry but if you own a Neo-Geo that doesn\'t make you hardcore), etc.

yeah, those are some good points :thumb:

however, quantity isn\'t always a great means of \'measurement\'. Having played a wide variety of games is, yes. Or...can it be.

[Jumpman]

Yeah the hardcore gamer should have the knack for being like, "hey Frogger 360, that game will definitely suck".

Eye of the gamer.