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Ethanol research? I think so....look at frickin Brazil. They have their shit together.

We arent changing our energy supply anytime soon. Its not that we cant its that we dont want to. Theres too much money and jobs in oil to change right now.

[Titan]

We arent changing our energy supply anytime soon. Its not that we cant its that we dont want to. Theres too much money and jobs in oil to change right now.

Fuel companies like Exxon-Mobile won\'t have to cut jobs or anything if they research an manufacture a new fuel on top of crude oil production. Besides, creating new fuel sources will create new jobs. I\'m not saying cut out the oil companies completely. We still have a lot we need oil for (plastics and stuff) so they won\'t be out of a job. But by using ethanol along side gasoline (like in Brazil), we don\'t have to be fully dependent on oil. Brazil is only 20% dependent on foreign oil.

The largest single use of ethanol is as a motor fuel and fuel additive. The largest national fuel ethanol industries exist in Brazil and the United States. The Brazilian ethanol industry is based on sugarcane; as of 2004, Brazil produces 14 billion liters annually, enough to replace about 40% of its gasoline demand. Also as a result, they have become 80% independent from foreign oil. Most new cars sold in Brazil are flexible-fuel vehicles that can run on ethanol, gasoline, or any blend of the two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#As_a_fuel

another article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

We can mimick what they did and still drive our big SUVs and Hummers. And guess what, WE PRODUCE A LOT OF CORN which could be manufactured into ethanol.

It would be great to have that percentage of ethanal/gasohol cars in the US.  Coming home from DC everyday u just get this oily or sludgy feeling all over your face (which I usually wash right when I get home).  You can just feel the stank, and your lungs pay for it.

I think gasohol is where we need to start.  You foaming at the mouth liberals need to get started on this ish.

All the agriculture canada vehicles use an 85% ethanol blend.  There\'s no issue for power, cleanliness.  It\'s not that much of a switch, and easy to produce, considering the crop cultures in Canada and the US.  Everytime companies start up and think about new \'cheap\' fuels (hydrogen, electric), and \'low mainenance\' vehicles, they\'re opposed by big oil and the auto industry.  Eventually, though, there will be enough outrage over prices and profits that they won\'t be able to stifle innovation.

I think the total costs per car for parts to make cars ethanol ready is about 200 bucks I was reading somewhere or heard on cnn or some shit. But again the problem with that is where you going to get ethanol at the pump in 99% of the country?

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i just read on yahoo news that the price of oil could reach $100.00 a barrel! :eek:..that is just crazy...i just don\'t get this supply and demand thing,..i think people are driving the same way they were 5,6,7 years ago...gas on average is already close to 3.00 a gallon and it\'s not even summertime yet,...i guess we\'ll start to see alot of people just put gas in their car and speed off....these gas prices are really gettin outta control...


meh i was gonna create a new thread, but since we\'re already talkin\' bout gas prices...does this mean my 2000 metro is gonna be worth more than recycled cans?..hmmm i\'m thinkin\' 45 - 50 thou...:fro:...read...


http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/05/17/used_compacts/

[Titan]

It would be great to have that percentage of ethanal/gasohol cars in the US.  Coming home from DC everyday u just get this oily or sludgy feeling all over your face (which I usually wash right when I get home).  You can just feel the stank, and your lungs pay for it.

I think gasohol is where we need to start.  You foaming at the mouth liberals need to get started on this ish.

There are a few flex fuel cars. The Ford Ranger (which is the pickup I want to buy) is flexfuel and can take either or. I think we should just keep both in gas stations because my T-bird can\'t take (as well as most cars) more than a 10% blend of ethanol. Unfortunately, only a couple states actually have full on ethanol in gas stations with gasoline (New York I believe is one and its only in certain areas). Once ethanol takes off (which I\'m sure it will), I\'m gonna buy the Ranger....if I can afford it, and garage the T-bird.

On a side note, I only buy gas from Hess now. They are the only one I noticed that adds ethanol (10%) to their fuel. I\'m sure there are other companies but they are the only company that advertises it on their pumps. Exxon-Mobil I don\'t think wants anything to do with ethanol or other fuels. Fine by me. They\'re gonna go under IMO if they don\'t start figuring something out. There is only so much oil in the earth.

You do realize that the US government makes 69 cents per gallon of gas and the gas companys make 7, right?

I think what the government needs to do is lift all of the tax exemptions and benefits they give to the oil companies.  They can support themselves.


People, if you don\'t like oil companies making money, then FREAKING INVEST IN FREAKING OIL COMPANIES!!!

I agree... how do you think we are paying for the War. Gas and oil sales are heavily taxed and provide this country with Billions in revenues. Our nation itself is tied to the oil industry. Take away oil and gas taxes and the USA would go bankrupt. We\'re already in major debt, all that surplus Bill Clinton had tucked away was wiped out in a very short time. Social security needed to be fixed as did health care, but all our money went to a war only Bible thumpers, right wing nut jobs, and sheep incapable of personal thought supported. All that money squandered. If I lived in a red State I\'d hang my head in complete shame.

The problem is that the USA is goverened by money. Our God is cash, and I don\'t care what any religous zealots say, America only worships the dollar. God is just a thing used to keep a part of the population in check.

Our President is completely in the hands of the oil companies. We all know how much of the Bush fortune came through oil companies, and we also know how much personal interest the Bush family has with Saudi Arabia.

How does a not so smart, son of a former president, and spoiled rich kid get elected to be president....

The answer, he doesn\'t unless he is providing a service to those who had the power to get him into office. Make no mistake about it, GWB won the presidency on big time oil money, and has been and will be expected to support big oil by whatever means necessary.

Isn\'t funny how 9/11 and Afghanistan turned so quickly into the Iraq war ?

and anyone with a little knowledge of world markets could easily see how oil prices could and would sky rocket if the right situation was created.

IMO our government is just as corrupt as Saddamn regime (both Dems and Rep, with Republicans being the uglier of 2 evils), we\'re just fighting the battle in a different way that is transparent to the rest of the sheep... err people who voted for Bush.


unfortunately its the modern media that gets played and manipulated by the powers that be to create mind sets they want so that things can get done in the name of democracy.

Until capitilaism dies some, and more people suppport the infusion of socialistic values into out capitalistic society there is no chance of America, or the world getting any better. As long as there is extreme wealth in any society there is very little chance of world peace.

money is the root of all evil, there is no denying this. Greed has caused every pain we suffer from, and it was greed that has steered the middle East into the mess it is today. It was industrialized nations greed that fed money to the middle east and empowered certain groups of individuals.


I wish this bastard would be impeached, or better yet hung. I\'d celebrate the man who assasinates him as an American Hero. I hate George Bush that much. I have also swore I will never under any circumstance ever vote for a republican again. I\'ve seen enough and I am horrified.

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Its people like you that make me wish we could just completely revoke voting rights based on intelligence.

I wish this bastard would be impeached, or better yet hung. I\'d celebrate the man who assasinates him as an American Hero. I hate George Bush that much. I have also swore I will never under any circumstance ever vote for a republican again. I\'ve seen enough and I am horrified.

How do you really feel?

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Its people that voted for GWB that make me wish we could just completely revoke voting rights based on intelligence.

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Hey, 30% of the population can\'t be denied - Bush is an overwhelmingly successful president.
 
Why else would we have elected him twice?
 
I\'m voting for his daughter in \'08.
 
-Dan

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Hey, 30% of the population can\'t be denied - Bush is an overwhelmingly successful president.
 
Why else would we have elected him twice?
 
I\'m voting for his daughter in \'08.
 
-Dan

His daughter is pretty hot though. I\'d like to see her in playboy or something :jb:

My trust in Bush has been shaken and you guys remember how I was a couple years ago. I\'m not for or against the war anymore. I feel we need to get the job done and pull out. We\'re in the point of no return so this being for or against the war bitching is a waste of time. I\'m for getting what our troops need to get the job done faster and pulling out.

Bush\'s energy bill crap is what is pissing me off and what he did to the Supreme Court. It seems like he\'s trying to create more of a theocracy. I\'m a die hard atheist and feel that religion should be no where in the government. I also feel the morals and stuff like that of religion should have no bearing on domestic policy. This fight over abortion is bullshit. The only reason there is such a fight is because Christianity is saying its wrong and nutjobs want to push those morals and what the church says into a federal law banning abortion. If the church said it was alright, there would be no problem.

I\'m still gonna vote republican for the most part (unless I feel that a democrat is better suited). Why? I really hate how a lot of democrats feel the need to encroach on our personal freedoms, the right to bear arms, federal government controlling aspects of our lives, etc. They are too socialist for my taste. Don\'t get me wrong, republicans aren\'t much better. They seem to push religion too much. However, the core belief of a small central government and more states rights is what appeals to me and that\'s why I vote Republican.

Don\'t get me wrong, I feel there are really good democrats and republicans. I like the moderates on both sides for the most part and would rather see them in instead of full left or right wing. McCain is my favorite politician. He doesn\'t seem to give a rats ass about right and left wing but for what he believes in. I hope he runs for president because he is a good moderate.

If Hilary runs and wins....oh god I can\'t even imagine the mess this country would be in. If people thought Bush was bad, Hilary is gonna make domestic policy a mess and much worse.

I wish this bastard would be impeached, or better yet hung. I\'d celebrate the man who assasinates him as an American Hero. I hate George Bush that much.

I\'d vote Bush back in office just to piss off people like u  ^_^