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HDMI 1.3 speed boosts from 4.95 Gbps to 10.2 Gbps
« on: June 22, 2006, 05:41:05 PM »
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...Because it boosts bandwidth to 10.2Gbps from 4.95Gbps, HDMI 1.3 connectors will enable suppliers of future video sources and HDTV displays to accelerate refresh rates to 120Hz from 60Hz, deepen color bit depth to 48-bit RGB from 24-bit, and deliver 1.8x more viewable colors to include every visible color that the eye can see, said Lee. With the increase in viewable colors and greater color depth, subtle changes in the blues of a blue sky will be smoother and less abrupt, Lee said by way of example...


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Cool, it seems like HDMI v1.3 will have a bandwidth boost from 4.95 Gbps to 10.2Gbps, interesting and it looks like PS3 will be among the first Blu Ray player that will have HDMI v1.3 connection.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2006, 09:05:34 PM »
Sounds pretty sick.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2006, 10:43:36 PM »
No wonder you have 11,422 posts, Titan.  WTF?
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2006, 03:50:39 AM »
refresh rate and color depth are amazing.  Oye...  Looks like my front projector I\'ll need to buy just got more expensive.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2006, 04:28:36 PM »
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No wonder you have 11,422 posts, Titan.  WTF?


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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2006, 06:09:52 PM »
Does Blu-ray actually support 10.2Gbps or is it compressed.  Sigh... now I gotta go dig up the BR specs and PS3 specs again to check....
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2006, 07:25:17 PM »
the blu ray disc wasn\'t encode in Gbps, the maximum bitrate was about 54 Mbps and that\'s still heavily lossy compression, but the video will be upconvert to uncompressed, and that can mean anywhere in Gbps, depending on the color depth and frame rate for processing and to prevent consumers from making illegally copy digitally.

It seems like PS3 HDMI does indeed support the latest 1.3 version, and videogame does runs at uncompressed rate...
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2006, 09:25:15 AM »
I\'ll make sure to get a 1.3 HDMI HDTV when I finally buy one.  :)

I\'m thinking of initially using my PC monitor (LCD with DVI-D) as the display for PS3, however I\'m a little worried how the aspect ratio will effect the games? PS3 will render most games in 1280x720 but my PC monitor has a native resolution of 1280x1024.
How does this work on the 360? I understand it can be hooked up to a PC monitor via VGA. Can you select a resolution + aspect ratio in the operating system so the console automatically adds black bars to the image, preventing a stretched image?
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2006, 11:57:28 AM »
I am not sure, but I think you can select 1280 x 720 on the operating system, but that will fill up the entire image with no black bars though.  Unless, you adjust the screen adjustment on the monitor\'s buttons.

Keep in mind though, the image only work when you connect ps3 for games only via hdmi to dvi but not for blu ray movies because blu ray movies have the hdcp copy protection which the computer monitor and graphic card lack.

I doubt your LCD monitor have the HDCP copy protection though...
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2006, 01:29:09 PM »
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I am not sure, but I think you can select 1280 x 720 on the operating system, but that will fill up the entire image with no black bars though.  Unless, you adjust the screen adjustment on the monitor\'s buttons.

Keep in mind though, the image only work when you connect ps3 for games only via hdmi to dvi but not for blu ray movies because blu ray movies have the hdcp copy protection which the computer monitor and graphic card lack.

I doubt your LCD monitor have the HDCP copy protection though...


Ah well then I hope Sony adds support for a 1280x1024 option. :)
I\'m not sure if my monitor can adjust a image like that, not if the source is digital (the horizontal/vertical adjustment settings are disabled when the source signal is digital).

Btw, ICT or HDCP will not be used before 2011, so Blu-Ray movies can be watched on none HDCP TVs until then.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2006, 02:21:53 PM »
HDCP is for digital signal, and studio blu ray movies does have HDCP, they don\'t have ICT set but they do have HDCP implemented to prevent consumers from recording digitally...so, i doubt you can watch blu ray movies on non hdcp monitors...
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2006, 12:40:52 PM »
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HDCP is for digital signal, and studio blu ray movies does have HDCP, they don\'t have ICT set but they do have HDCP implemented to prevent consumers from recording digitally...so, i doubt you can watch blu ray movies on non hdcp monitors...


You can. Sony has said you can even watch 1080p movies via component! Component does not support HDCP.

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Q20. You had previously announced that there would be two HDMI ports, but why does the PS3 with the 20GB HDD not have a HDMI port ? Can Blu-ray content be enjoyed in high quality graphics without HDMI ?

A20. High quality HD images can be enjoyed equally with the 20GB HDD product via the AV multi port (1080p output is also possible with the TV equipped with the D5 input). Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. Standardization of visual image output via home network (e.g. DLNA) is also currently under way.


Its the ICT flag that downgrades the image, and ICT will not be used before 2011-2012. Until then HD movies can be enjoyed in full resolution even if you have a non-HDCP display.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2006, 12:56:35 PM »
I think you are confuse with HDCP and ICT.

Component video connection is analog, and its true that you can output 1080p via component video connection, but component is analog.

You are talking about DVI which is a digital connection, and DVI and HDMI have the HDCP protection, which is different than ICT...
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2006, 03:00:23 PM »
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I think you are confuse with HDCP and ICT.

Component video connection is analog, and its true that you can output 1080p via component video connection, but component is analog.

You are talking about DVI which is a digital connection, and DVI and HDMI have the HDCP protection, which is different than ICT...


Yes both HDMI and DVI can support HDCP. The question was if Blu-Ray movies will be watchable in full resolution on these displays, even if they lack HDCP protection.

A few months ago the answer was, no. If you connect the hardware to a non-HDCP display via DVI or component, and the movie has a ICT flag, it will be downconverted to 540p.

Today the answer is, yes. You will be able to watch the movie in full resolution even if your monitor/tv lacks HDCP support. ICT will not be used before 2011-2012. HDCP is still there though, to prevent piracy.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2006, 03:17:04 PM »
i am confuse now, I thought if your monitor is not HDCP, then you couldn\'t receive any signal from blu ray with hdcp...

ICT was made for the analog connection only?  I don\'t think they use it for the digital connection because the digital connection already have hdcp...
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