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I\'ll own both, before I ever own a PS3. There is a market for this kind of package.

Xbox 360 gamer market = largely adults, some children.

Wii gamer market = "everyone."

Completely different, Mike?

I don\'t agree with consoles being "for adults". THere are quite a few 12 and 13 year olds on Live.

Kids like video games and they want what\'s cool. Xbox is cool so they want it and they get it.

I think PS3 may be the console that doesn\'t skew very young since if I were a parent there\'s no way in hell I\'d get that toy for little Johnny. Unless I wanted it for me, first.

If that is the case, I support it a 110% percent. I really doubt it happens, but I\'d love for it to.

And with alittle math.....

Let\'s assume..

Wii  - $200
Game - $50

Xbox 360 - $400
Game - $ 50

(standard 360)

$650 - $700

PS3 (full vesrion) $600
Game - $ 50

Price

$650

If done during the holiday season, it could very well sell, if nothing else, it\'d stand a good chance of selling when the PS3 sells out during the intial launch / holiday craze. Buy two for the price of one.  And that is assuming you can even buy a standalone PS3 console, if they do it with the 360 bundles, then expect to pay around $800 for a PS3 bundle or more.

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Why are you excluding the possibility that most might want to get the cheaper PS3 when its available?

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Why are you excluding the possibility that most might want to get the cheaper PS3 when its available?

Because common sense dictates that they will push the non-core version and the fact that even if you get the core, you may still be looking at expensive bundles.

If that is the case, I support it a 110% percent. I really doubt it happens, but I\'d love for it to.

And with alittle math.....

Let\'s assume..

Wii  - $200
Game - $50

Xbox 360 - $400
Game - $ 50

(standard 360)

$650 - $700

PS3 (full vesrion) $600
Game - $ 50

Price

$650

If done during the holiday season, it could very well sell, if nothing else, it\'d stand a good chance of selling when the PS3 sells out during the intial launch / holiday craze. Buy two for the price of one.  And that is assuming you can even buy a standalone PS3 console, if they do it with the 360 bundles, then expect to pay around $800 for a PS3 bundle or more.

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Shouldn\'t you compare FULL to FULL or STANDARD to STANDARD - ie, 750-800 for the first set.  The PS3 core is much less crippled than the 360 core compared to their respective full versions.
*EDIT*Damn, shoulda read those last couple posts.

In any event, this doesn\'t really interest me, I will try a Wii, and if it\'s as good as past Nintendo endeavors, I\'ll get one because it\'s cheap.  I have no need for a 360, everything it has that I want is on (or coming to) PC or PS3.  PS3, however, I do want for a couple of its exclusives.

The PS3 may have some shortages, but probably nowhere near the 360 launch\'s or even the PS2s, if you check out some of the production reports in the main forum.

Because common sense dictates that they will push the non-core version and the fact that even if you get the core, you may still be looking at expensive bundles.

No thats not common sense. Thats just your estimation. Also common sense says that (going by your other most commonly used logic) since people care mostly about games they will go for the standard version instead of the full one.

Decide because I see a contradiction

I\'ve been studying the Core version of the PS3.

It really isn\'t that bad of a deal. Sony has made the point that it didn\'t leave any vitals (*cough* HDD) out of the Core version, and I have to applaud that. Did any serious gamer really get the X360 Core by choice?

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Shouldn\'t you compare FULL to FULL or STANDARD to STANDARD - ie, 750-800 for the first set. The PS3 core is much less crippled than the 360 core compared to their respective full versions.
*EDIT*Damn, shoulda read those last couple posts.

No, I shouldn\'t, because the chances are they won\'t include the non-core version fo the 360 in the package, it would just jack the price up.

And the problem with the PS3 "core" version is, it can\'t even output 1080p, which, is what Sony says is true high-def. Is it a bad deal? Not really. Is it stupid to have two versions? Yea, just as it was when the 360 launched.

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And the problem with the PS3 "core" version is, it can\'t even output 1080p, which, is what Sony says is true high-def. Is it a bad deal? Not really. Is it stupid to have two versions? Yea, just as it was when the 360 launched.

That\'s where you are wrong.  Both PS3 versions can output 1080p.  Its just that the "core" version lacks the HDMI output, but the analog output like component video output does supports 1080p.  That means you can playback videogames in 1080p via component video or HDMI.  I am pretty sure the same could be said about PS3 outputting blu ray movies in 1080p via component video or HDMI.

Months ago, I remembered reading somewhere a long time ago that the RCA type cable like component video cable and maybe even RFU cable supports up to 3 GHz of bandwidth per cable where some guy tested its frequency response of a component video cable and the frequency response was flat up to 3 GHz which is great.

And component video connection comes in 3 cables for each Y, Pb, and Pr.

If you add each maximum bandwidth up, that\'s like 9 GHz total bandwidth there for component video.  Almost the bandwidth of HDMI v1.3 speed of 10.2 Gbps...

1080p @ 60fps with 24 bits color require roughly 3 Gbps and there is plenty of bandwidth left on HDMI v1.3 or analog component for higher color bandwidth or refresh rate or framerate.

So, what\'s my point?  Just because the "core" ps3 doesn\'t have HDMI, doesn\'t mean it couldn\'t output 1080p because component video cable can support 1080p.

XBOX360 can supports 1080p too if it wants too via component video cable, but they choose not to, probably to have room on the other areas of graphic beside resolution like texture, lighting, better framerate when output 720p instead of 1080p...

No, I shouldn\'t, because the chances are they won\'t include the non-core version fo the 360 in the package, it would just jack the price up.

And the problem with the PS3 "core" version is, it can\'t even output 1080p, which, is what Sony says is true high-def. Is it a bad deal? Not really. Is it stupid to have two versions? Yea, just as it was when the 360 launched.

Man you dont know what the hell you are talking about

I\'ve been studying the Core version of the PS3.

It really isn\'t that bad of a deal. Sony has made the point that it didn\'t leave any vitals (*cough* HDD) out of the Core version, and I have to applaud that. Did any serious gamer really get the X360 Core by choice?

I agree. And truth be told the core doesnt lack anything major. Actually it has more than a premium 360. Its just that the full PS3 has even more things than the core version (which should even be called a core).

The lack of HDMI is only important if anyone is ever bone-headed enough to trigger the switch that says hi-def is only available on this disc if you\'re using HDMI.
 
The main thing for me is loss of WiFi. WiFi is way better than the router to game adapter or ethernet cord route.
 
So if I ever go PS3, I\'ll get the really expensive one instead of the very expensive one.
 
Just like I got the pretty expensive Xbox 360 over the expensive core version.
 
Where\'s my affordable Wii already?

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I don\'t care how you try to justify it, the price of the PS3 core or non-core version is outrageous. And when it comes down to it, if there was a package like this actually out, then the average person would most likely buy it over the PS3. It\'s the whole two for one idea.

Actually, LiC, I think I might be understanding Sony at this point.

I mean, $600 will net you a console that plays Blu-Ray out of the box. Full PS1/PS2 compatibility, unlike the X360\'s limited Xbox B/C. HDMI, WiFi, a XBLA-like online service, and much more. Nevermind the "high-end PC" performance of Sony\'s hardware.

Blu-Ray players alone are so overpriced this year and next that they justify the PS3 price by themselves.

Blu-Ray players alone are so overpriced this year and next that they justify the PS3 price by themselves.

No they don\'t. A year or two from now Blu-Ray will be just another failed format. If you REALLY believe that Blu-Ray will be the "next big thing", then I don\'t know what to tell you.

I really could go on and on about how badly Blu-Ray will fail but that is a matter for another thread.