Saints Row

Both of those franchises are showing their age imho.

Edit: Comparing a game to the Taj Mahal is retarded.

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i rest my case.

As usual, you have no case, so that\'s okay.

so list some of your A+ franchises for me to cut down?

I think LiC took up with a troll sometime in the last few months, and there\'s some DNA seepage, it seems like he\'s making more and more outrageous viewpoints his own, and arguing in every thread he posts in.

That said, MGS is an amazing game, which really created a whole new gametype (splinter cell, thief, MGS).  Even if it\'s not \'your type\' of game, you should be able to be objective enough to recognize it\'s innovation and popularity.

The FF series has something in it for almost any RPG player, whether you like the early ones or the later ones, but to say it\'s the worst franchise is way off.  I\'ve liked pretty much all the FF series except for X-II and XI (don\'t like MMORPGs anymore), and while the FMV can be a bit distracting, it\'s also a great way to mix some movie-style narration into a game.

As cool as MGS is, it isn\'t terribly innovative. Everything that people love about it, it borrowed from other games (including Metal Gear 1 and 2, obviously) ...but, MGS applied them with a high level of polish.

Thief, you say? MGS and Thief came out at virtually the same time.

Splinter Cell is clearly a take on the stealth genre (as presented by MGS) and IMHO SC > MGS in the gameplay department. Though I must note that I have yet to play MGS3, and I hear it rox0rs.

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I think LiC took up with a troll sometime in the last few months, and there\'s some DNA seepage, it seems like he\'s making more and more outrageous viewpoints his own, and arguing in every thread he posts in.

Blah, blah. Ban me then, I don\'t care.

If you had a clue, you\'d know I\'ve always said MGS and FF sucked ass and I will stick by that statement, until I like one of those franchises.

Blade nailed it, MGS is highly over-rated. It\'s been done before and it\'s been done better.

forgot to post something, LIC?

LiC: It\'s a little overrated due to the high-quality story (by video game standards ) and cut-scenes.

The gameplay itself isn\'t bad, and perhaps was the apex of its genre in 1998. What I\'m saying is that there is virtually nothing innovative about MGS1 as Fatal was proposing there was.

Yeah lic broke down and bought one. My quit smoking present to myself.

I have a friend who did the same thing about three weeks ago. He signed up for month long Blockbuster rentals and bought Fight Night to go with it.

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forgot to post something, LIC?

No, I simply didn\'t post it. Why? Because, unlike you, I don\'t get my panties in a bunch over an opinion. It\'s my opinion that MGS / GTA /FF are crap-ass series. I couldn\'t care less what you think of the franchises that I think are great.

it\'s hard to back up what you post

....shame

LiC: It\'s a little overrated due to the high-quality story (by video game standards ) and cut-scenes.

The gameplay itself isn\'t bad, and perhaps was the apex of its genre in 1998. What I\'m saying is that there is virtually nothing innovative about MGS1 as Fatal was proposing there was.

Remember he\'s naming the Metal Gear franchise as one of the worst franchises ever, and I just don\'t think it\'s a defensible position.  MG1 and MG2 are part of the franchise, so their innovation is part of the franchises contribution to gaming.  When someone says an entire franchise deserves a \'worst game ever\' title, you really have to examine just what they\'re poo-pooing, from the earliest games in the series to the latest.

I have known LIC for a long time in real life. He has said this about these franchises since like day 3 after each of those games were released. He played each of them minus maybe FF wanting to like them. Just did not happen.

So give the guy a break. He dislikes some popular games. Apparently so do some of you.

he need a hug?

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No, I don\'t need a hug.

I love how if game A is popular, then everyone must love it. It\'s that herd mentality that makes crap-ass games and crap-ass systems popular.

Remember he\'s naming the Metal Gear franchise as one of the worst franchises ever, and I just don\'t think it\'s a defensible position. MG1 and MG2 are part of the franchise, so their innovation is part of the franchises contribution to gaming. When someone says an entire franchise deserves a \'worst game ever\' title, you really have to examine just what they\'re poo-pooing, from the earliest games in the series to the latest.

What exactly did MGS bring to the table? Yeah, it made the stealth genre popular, but it\'s been done better and been done before.