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« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2007, 03:22:17 PM »
I\'m just saying it could be used as an adjective. I never used it or heard it used as a derogatory term until recently. That\'s all I\'m saying. I\'m not trying to fight if its offensive or not or that its used racially. Apparently it is. But I\'m also saying it could be used as an adjective non racially. Now, I\'ve heard it both ways.
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« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2007, 03:28:04 PM »
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Right, which is why instead of blowing one incident hugely out of proportion (fine his ass, fire him, do whatever but don\'t make this a national issue that it clearly isn\'t) people like AL sharpton, who thrives on this shit, should be trying stop "bitches and hos" mentality that is so dominant in the rap world and the youth that try to emulate it.  But thats clearly not a popular stance so it will never happen.  At least not with pricks like him.

Edit: oh and Quddus please stop trying to throw the woe is me, I\'m black card.  You\'ve been using for years and its tiring.  People know what it is to be discriminated against (black, white, jewish, latino, islamic, you name it, whatever).  You grow up, you get some balls and you realize those people are just ignorant trash not worthy of a response and you let it die into obscurity.  I have black relatives far older than you, who have sincerely seen some tough shit, and I\'ve had conversations with them about racism and all that.  And you know, not once did they ever say, "oh you\'d just never understand, you just can never relate."  Thats just throwing up a huge wall and enabling people to continue their racist ways.  You know, people are more understanding than you think.  So stop being ignorant yourself and I don\'t know, maybe accept that people are people.  Fuck what race they are.  I hope this Imus thing dies quickly and quietly.  Shouldn\'t be a national topic.


Heh, the funniest part about this entire non-issue is the way that Al Sharpton (opportunistic scumbag that he is) has all of the ignorant hicks wrapped around his little finger.

Do you know who gives him the power that he has? It\'s not the black-folk. It\'s all of the insecure slobs and weak-minded chumps constantly on the look-out for somebody else to blame for dissatisfaction with their own lives. And then Reverend Al comes along, giving them the exact lightning rod they desire; in the process, however, they simply reinforce all of the bullshit that he feeds to his flock, how the white-man really does hate them and they need someone to constantly stand up and protect them from the evil American society.

Guess what? Imus made a stupid, ill-conceived, racist comment (yes, referring to a predominantly black women\'s basketball team as "nappy-headed hos" is racist by any common definition of the term; all the faux-logic and strawmen you and your drinking buddies want to throw out there doesn\'t change a thing). Did he deserve to get fired for it? Not even a relevant question, because the merit of the firing isn\'t an issue. It\'s a business decision, pure and simple. If your career is to bring in money through entertaining people, and you do something that jeopardizes the corporate cash-flow, you need to expect the consequences. It\'s not a Constitutional issue, it\'s not a free-speech issue, and the fact that the rap-stars and black comics say much worse is not relevant; the only thing relevant is that his bosses decided they no longer wanted someone stupid enough to put himself in that position representing the face of the corporation any longer.

Does the black community as a whole have more pressing issues confronting them? Absolutely. If some of you are so concerned about these issues, then by all means get off the internet and go teach at an inner-city school, or get involved with a local affordable housing coalition. But what you shouldn\'t do is pat yourself on the back for pointing out that Al Sharpton should have more important things to worry about, because you\'re wrong. The only pressing issue on Sharpton\'s mind is how many more ignorant rubes he can goad into keeping his face on the news every night.
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« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2007, 07:21:19 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2007, 09:54:35 AM »
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« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2007, 09:56:26 AM »
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I think Uni means that perhaps you (in a broad sense) should look at the reasons why these stereotypes are sometimes right.


\'Splain?
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« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2007, 10:06:39 AM »
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\'Splain?
This will be short and generalizing so please bear with me. But say you have a stereotype that \'children of immigrants from certain 3rd world countries are more prone to making trouble and being criminal than ethnic Danes\' (I\'m using an example from my own country because it\'s easier for me to relate to). This stereotype is common around here and it certainly does have a some truth to it. But instead of just saying "yeah those fucking bastards form gangs, rape our woman, yadda yadda yadda" perhaps one should look into WHY some of them do this. There are many reasons that could course this type of behavior - alienation from society, poverty because of unemployment, being constantly let down because of people\'s preconceived notion toward you (even though they don\'t know you, only your \'type\') etc. etc. etc.

I\'m sure you could find similaries to black people living in ghettos und so weiter.

But perhaps Unicron meant something else entirely, so maybe I should just let him explain instead.
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« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2007, 10:32:22 AM »
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"yeah those fucking bastards form gangs, rape our woman, yadda yadda yadda" perhaps one should look into WHY some of them do this.

The key words here are not "WHY" but "some of".
 
"Some of" is not a generalization. "Some of" is truthful and can be discussed intelligently. "Some of" makes it unoffensive.
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« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2007, 10:43:22 AM »
I\'m a bit confused about your point Eik. I\'m the one who wrote \'some of\'. In the minds of the people I paraphrased perhaps \'all of them\' would be better suited. ;) Sure I know it\'s not all of them, but that wasn\'t my point. I wanted to look at why those things were happening.
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« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2007, 10:54:30 AM »
The problem with generalizations, even when it was Ash talking, is that one unfairly lumps in innocent people.
 
But when you say "some black people have robbed cars" who can dispute you except to say "so have some white people."
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« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2007, 11:36:34 AM »
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But when you say "some black people have robbed cars" who can dispute you except to say "so have some white people."

Exactly. I use this argument on closet racists all the time. :D
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« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2007, 12:02:38 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2007, 04:03:42 PM »
I wanna say this. Even though Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson are human and have made mistakes. They have taken a stand and stood up for rights of black people. And wheather or not right or wrong they are both strong voices within the black community. They may not matter to anyone you all but when their is injustice done to black people and a voice is needed they stand up.

And the rap Imus comparison is so dump. Rappers have nothing to do with Imus calling those women nappy headed hoes. Don\'t blame 50 cent or any other rapper for the mans bigotry.
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2007, 08:36:44 AM »
Go read jason whitlock\'s editorial.

eidt: here\'s a link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1815474/posts
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« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2007, 09:49:30 PM »
^^^most of the stuff he mentions i already stated...you just should have posted the link to my post...:D...seriously tho, i gotta agree with qdog on the fact that whenever there is an afri. american that was unjustly treated al sharpton was right there confronting those responsible,...and i admit in alot of those racial discrimnation cases that happened while guliani was the mayor of ny,*involving the ny police dept* i remember sayin\' s**t like "why is sharpton the only voice for black folk out there?".....and these wasn\'t "bulls**t scenarios".... these were instances were afri americans were treated really badly or brutally abused, and in some cases even murdered...

that doesn\'t dismiss the fact that ol\' sharpton will take advantage of some situations to grandstand tho....and upon further thought,...i don\'t think imus should\'ve been fired, suspended would\'ve been a more suitable punishment,...i just feel we as black people need take some responsilbility...*not for what imus said*...but for giving imus the impression it\'s okay to say that...especially when you see us callin our women those types of names on the reg in videos....it seems the rap culture needs a breath of fresh air anyway...i read that from 2005 - 2006 that this was the first time that a rap album wasn\'t in either the top ten or twenty....i still like my rap & hip-hop, but alot of it is garbage...
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« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2007, 04:28:10 AM »
Yeah, kids have moved on to Hinder and other hippy bands.
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