Forget Earth or Saturn....

[Viper_Fujax]

alot of the ufo sightings have been proven to be false...and lets not forget that bogus alien autopsy that was on fox a few years back!......some sightings might be legit, but the one\'s where people are talkin\' about bein abducted are obviously bulls**t...i do think within the vastness of the universe there are other lifeforms...but who knows, humans automatically think that these other beings will be superior to us, when actually those other beings quite possibly could be inferior to us....

it\'s not so much that all life is inferior or superior, but out of all the space out there, one planet could have life thats extremely superior.

but i have to agree with evi that any lifeform can travel through space at its whim is highly improbable

[GmanJoe]

If there are lifeforms, it would not be physically possible to travel so far unless their technology has made some magical portal to jump from one section of the universe to another. Wormholes are still just a theory. Ironically enough, that theory was initially for a science fiction novel until scientists realized it\'s mathematically possible.

[Jumpman]

My wang is bigger than anything mentioned in this thread.

[CHIZZY]

I was going to point out the dichotomy of hugging a child then smoking (anything) around them, but to each their own.  

Plus, you\'ll get your comeuppance.... when your child is rebelling and smoking and you can\'t get them to listen to you anymore.

I was only joking... I quit that shit a while ago, but I do miss it on occasion. I also now only drink socially, no more than 2 drinks a day.

What UFO\'s?

Every UFO incident has been debunked.

Wrong. MOST of them are debunked.

The others are either covered or left without an explanation

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I also find it amusing that we are discussing the universe as if we have infinite intelligence or enough intelligence or knowledge to be able to know and explain or talk about other beings, space or possibilities of space travel.

We tend to overvalue our intelligence as beings. And we always did that since the beginning of human culture.

We always tend to believe we know enough to suggest whats possible and what is not. 100 years from now scientists could be laughing at us just as we are laughing at those who considered theirselves scientists in the medieval times and talked about whats possible and what is not as if they knew enough

[Evi]

^^

The mere fact that we\'re having this discussion on top of being thousands of miles away from each other speaks wonders. We\'re talking on "magic" boxes. And yes...things that are amazing now will seem primitive in the future...if our species lasts that long and we don\'t destroy ourselves.

[Viper_Fujax]

so we should block our thoughts uni? You have to think in order to expand..maybe those scientists wouldnt be laughing if the people before them didnt think up the wrong ideas in the first place. If someone didnt come up with the idea that the earth is flat, than the earth being round wouldnt be scientifically sound.

Noone (in their right mind at least) gives their thoughts with the idea that they are facts. Just that it makes sense to them.

[Evi]

^^

Exactly.

[clips]

so we should block our thoughts uni? You have to think in order to expand..maybe those scientists wouldnt be laughing if the people before them didnt think up the wrong ideas in the first place. If someone didnt come up with the idea that the earth is flat, than the earth being round wouldnt be scientifically sound.

Noone (in their right mind at least) gives their thoughts with the idea that they are facts. Just that it makes sense to them.

tru..no doubt...there really are alot of times when i\'m watching tv and almost always when i see some type of new innovative tech, i\'m always amazed at the breakthroughs we\'re accomplishing....i was watching some sci-fi movie where a security door was coded to a persons retina,...and they actually have that tech now...in japan they workin\' on cars parking themselves in certain lexus models....i\'ve also seen that in the u.s. they want to have computer operated taxis....i\'ve seen some demo\'s of them, and while it\'s not perfect, it was still amazing to see....years ago i used to think that we wouldn\'t see a space station on the level of the one that is in orbit now, but we do....we have satellites millions of miles in space transferring digitized pictures of planets back to earth...

i could go on and on,...humans may be mucking up the earth with alot of bulls**t, but there are some of us that are doin some big things to make our lives easier and also creating innovative medicines to help humans live longer....me?..i\'m not contributing to anything... i\'m just enjoyin\' the ride, sittin\' on the sofa with my hand in my pants..*Al Bundy style*...:fro:

http://www.virgingalactic.com/

[Titan]

http://www.virgingalactic.com/

Dude, that\'s crazy. I totally want to do that.

by the time i\'d be able to actually afford 200,000$, the price better come down..

^^

The mere fact that we\'re having this discussion on top of being thousands of miles away from each other speaks wonders. We\'re talking on "magic" boxes. And yes...things that are amazing now will seem primitive in the future...if our species lasts that long and we don\'t destroy ourselves.

Doesnt "speak" enough "wonders" to justify us as being intelligent enough to rule out possibilities. Unless we knew the limits of intelligence and knowledge and that we are near to these limits. Besides they are only considered wonderous according to our standards. For now we can only fool ourselves that we know these limits.

so we should block our thoughts uni? You have to think in order to expand..maybe those scientists wouldnt be laughing if the people before them didnt think up the wrong ideas in the first place. If someone didnt come up with the idea that the earth is flat, than the earth being round wouldnt be scientifically sound.

Noone (in their right mind at least) gives their thoughts with the idea that they are facts. Just that it makes sense to them.

No ofcourse not. On the contrary I am suggesting the complete opposite. Because we are actually limiting our selves and thoughts with what we consider available knowledge.
 
The scientist who lacks the virtue of an open mind and does not question current knowledge or dpes not consider other possibilities he will not expand. If he gets stuck on available knowledge he will remain static.

Forming a thought that is shaped in accordance to "size" and "shape" of a certain knowledge "mold" will only think as far as that. Everything that does not fit will be ruled out without second questioning. Because knowledge can create bias

Thats why Galileo was considered a madman, a heretic, an illogical person and was criticized for something that was actually true. There were dozen of easilly observable sights and available knowledge that suggested the wrong belief that earth was flat. Who was Galileo, a one person to suggest otherwise?

The biggest scientist Steven Hawking (and Galileo) are the ones who try to look beyond what was already taught to them and the considered limits of the time. Passing knowledge only passes knowledge and that knwoledge has its limits as well.

Instead we speak as if we already know enough. Well has anyone considered that we may imagine that we know enough in this thread?

We lack self awareness

[Evi]

Doesnt "speak" enough "wonders" to justify us as being intelligent enough to rule out possibilities. Unless we knew the limits of intelligence and knowledge and that we are near to these limits. Besides they are only considered wonderous according to our standards. For now we can only fool ourselves that we know these limits.

You just said a whole bunch of things I didn\'t say.