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Offline Raz The Friggin Grea
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 01:23:36 PM »
600 Watt PSU is fine.
1000Watt is overkill.
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 04:07:30 PM »
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3329206&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET - Processor / motherboard bundle
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3329206&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET- Video Card
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3329206&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET -RAM
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2968565&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET -DVD Burner
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2776974&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET -Power Supply
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2522671&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET - Mouse
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2479583&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET - Headset
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2479583&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET - Keyboard
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1389579&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET - Case
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=564538&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANLET - HDD

Just placed my order not 10 minutes ago :) in the order processing stage now. I went with an 850w PSU instead of a 1000 and I stuck with the 8800 Ultra. I know its a more expensive but I know exactly what i\'m getting. I\'m only going to spend this kind of money once so I figure i\'d go for the best of the best. EVGA also has a 90 day step up thing, so if they make a more powerful card within 90 days I can trade in the Ultra for it.

Right now I just got a dinky monitor with max resolution of 1024 x 768. I do have a 24 inch LCD Samsung monitor coming to properly match this type of rig but that is a birthday present so I have to wait until December 26th to hook up to that thing.

Now I just need a copy of vista next pay and 2 more gb of ram and I should be set :) now bring on the games!
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 04:33:55 PM »
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the point is to hit the \'sweet spot\' ;) .. and yes, that has to do with timing ;

both Nvidia\'s & Ati\'s new architectures are well underway... why would anyone buy a current gen card at a premium price ? The value of that card, both in terms of resell value and performance compared to new line cards will devaluate extra rapidly.

Atm, that 8800GT is THE sweetspot card.

so, you mean that its sure is expensive, but it won\'t be obsolete in a short time?  is still could be very good in 3 or 4 years?

i don\'t understand the resell value part though.  You can actually resell it at the same price or higher as time goes by?  what?:confused:

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 04:49:21 PM »
Joker,

one comment.  its interesting you could spend over $200 for a power supply, and over $600 for a graphic card.  But you decided to get 250 GBytes HDD for only $80...

Why not go with like 500 GBytes HDD or higher because you never know when you could runs out of space quick.  Also, another curiosity question, why do you need to purchase a mouse and keyboard?  why not just use the current keyboard and mouse you are having right now?  Its also interesting that you spend nearly $80 for the mouse, which is about the same price tag of the 250 GB HDD.  its just that i am curious that you spend a lot of dough on many other areas, but goes a bit cheap on the HDD...

i thought 850 Watts is still a bit overkill, i doubt you will ever needed that much power to power the whole computer.  But it couldn\'t hurt though i guess...your choice...

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2007, 05:36:25 PM »
Because I already have another 250gb HD in the computer i\'m currently on which will just go inside the new one as a backup. The mouse / keyboard I bought for no other reason than I just wanted them :P as Raz said its a gaming mouse and this PC was built for gaming . Plus its blue! isn\'t it pretty?

and I plan to SLI in the future so 850 watts isn\'t overkill for 2 cards.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 05:38:22 PM »
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Joker,

one comment.  its interesting you could spend over $200 for a power supply, and over $600 for a graphic card.  But you decided to get 250 GBytes HDD for only $80...

Why not go with like 500 GBytes HDD or higher because you never know when you could runs out of space quick.  Also, another curiosity question, why do you need to purchase a mouse and keyboard?  why not just use the current keyboard and mouse you are having right now?  Its also interesting that you spend nearly $80 for the mouse, which is about the same price tag of the 250 GB HDD.  its just that i am curious that you spend a lot of dough on many other areas, but goes a bit cheap on the HDD...

i thought 850 Watts is still a bit overkill, i doubt you will ever needed that much power to power the whole computer.  But it couldn\'t hurt though i guess...your choice...


Uhm..

Gaming mouse = the shit.  That may be why he is spending that much on a ...GAMING mouse.  Get a mouse that can switch DPI on the fly and what not, it helps a lot in FPS shooters. Gaming keyboards on the other hand, are debatable. I don\'t own one and honestly, I doubt they give you much an advantage, but I still want a sweet Logitech G15.

Also, I seriously doubt he is going to run out of 250 gigs "fast". In fact, if this is a gaming PC, with an install of Vista, he has more than enough space.  Hell, if he wants pure performance, I\'d recommend just getting a 150gig Raptor X or something along those lines.

Yes, 850 watts is overkill for ONE Ultra. However, if he ever decided to SLi, add more HD\'s, add fans , another DVD-ROM, he could easily need that 850 watts. Fact is, if I keep adding to mine, I\'ll have to upgrade my PSU. It\'s a lot easier than you think to end up needing more power, so I always advise buying more than you currently need.

One more thing,Joker, as for Vista, honestly, if you\'re going to game, don\'t install Vista yet .  Right now every game that uses DirecX10 takes a huge hit on the FPS, even with an Ultra and 4 gigs of ram. Not to mention, there isn\'t a huge increase in image quality currently.  I\'d advise getting your RAM, throw it in (XP will notice 3 gigs), keep running XP and enjoy it, save your money and wait for Vista SP 1 and even then, just pick up Home, you don\'t need Ultimate.

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both Nvidia\'s & Ati\'s new architectures are well underway... why would anyone buy a current gen card at a premium price ? The value of that card, both in terms of resell value and performance compared to new line cards will devaluate extra rapidly.  


This is what bugs me.  Everyone says this, every generation and for what? You can always play the waiting game when it comes to this stuff, or you can just on board and buy out the ass for what is currently the best.  Personally, I don\'t see any thing to suggest that Nvidia is about to launch a new architecture, as the 8800 is still HUGELY succesful for them.

And yes, the GT is the "sweet spot" card.  If you\'re on a budget , I\'d recommend getting two of those and SLI\'ing them. Also keep in mind he has a 24 inch LCD coming in, a GT is really going to struggle at MAX resolution on that card.  

Congrat\'s Joker, your rig is better than mine. Hell, I don\'t have a Quad card (will once AMD rolls out theirs tho\'!).
« Last Edit: November 01, 2007, 05:39:52 PM by Raz The Friggin Grea »
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2007, 05:42:13 PM »
Thanks again for the help Raz :) it is much appreciated, and i\'m just getting Vista now because i\'ll need it some day eventually. I am putting a 2nd HDD in the case so i\'m gonna have XP on one and Vista on the other. I was going to solely use vista but i\'ve heard too many horror stories about it.
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2007, 06:29:51 PM »
how much power does an ultra graphic card need?  and how much does the SLI need too?  nevermind, i just check to see how much power a SLi card use.  and wow, over 100 Watts of power...that\'s a lot of power there...
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2007, 10:34:55 PM »
Yeah, a SLI Ultra setup is a power hog. I wouldn\'t even try it without a 1000watt and this isn\'t even taking into account the heat issue you\'re going to face.
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2007, 04:57:26 AM »
It all depends on what he\'s willing to spend also on the long term.

Energy bill 1000W psu + Ultra vs energy bill 600W psu + GT = difference to think about. idle & load.

Also, rumour has it Ati\'s RV670 went well, so i really question the longevity of that +$600 Ultra card.

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2007, 07:51:10 AM »
Honestly I really don\'t care for ATI products. If I upgrade my ultra, which I won\'t be doing for at least 1 year it will be to a new Nvidia card. I know we got some rabid ATI supporters on this board but I have been burned by them in the past. When I do upgrade my card, unless ATI puts out the card of the century I will be waiting for Nvidia.
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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2007, 08:04:32 AM »
It doesn\'t seem like ATI will be competitive any time soon anyway, so no worries. :)
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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2007, 01:04:54 PM »
They just called to confirm the order. It will be here in 4-5 business days!! First thing I get I think will be TF2, so I want to get some games in with yourself, raz, and luke and anyone else who plays it.
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2007, 01:23:17 PM »
Screw ATI. I was gun-ho for ATI when I built this PC, but crossfire is a mess and the 2900\'s simply don\'t match up with what Nvidia offers.

And Joker, get TF2. Awesome game.
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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2007, 08:27:48 PM »
Downloading TF2 off of steam as I type this. I was sick from work today, came down with a cold. Perfect chance to buy a new game haha. I remember in another thread Sammy mentioned that I should have no problems running TF2. Of course I can\'t run it on high settings, but I can hold out for another week :)
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