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Who would you nominate for POTUS?

illary Clinton (D)
4 (13.3%)
arack Obama (D)
14 (46.7%)
ohn Edwards (D)
1 (3.3%)
ill Richardson (D)
0 (0%)
oe Biden (D)
0 (0%)
udy Giuliani (R)
6 (20%)
ike Huckabee (R)
2 (6.7%)
itt Romney (R)
0 (0%)
red Thompson (R)
0 (0%)
ohn McCain (R)
3 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 30

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« Reply #105 on: February 15, 2008, 09:02:26 AM »
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« Reply #106 on: February 15, 2008, 10:14:41 AM »
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Keep drinking the koolaide.  Obama will be the worst thing to happen to this country if he is elected.  He is the MOST LIBERAL senator in the entire senate.  When the attacks between the candidates start in earnest this will be brought up and the vote-blinders on quite a few people will come off.  If you think the economy is bad now - wait until Baraka gets a hold of it with all his grand ideas to eliminate poverty and give people free healthcare.  Who is going to pay for this????  

But, is being black, charismatic, and having a good voice enough to qualify a man to be President of the United States?


http://www.factcheck.org/clinton_vs_obama.html

I don\'t think we can get anybody worse than Bush was. And what about Obama "giving away free health care"?

I don\'t really think you know ANY politician\'s "grand ideas" at this point.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2008, 01:07:57 PM »
Obama Casts His Spell

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By Charles Krauthammer
February 15, 2008

Excerpt:

WASHINGTON -- There\'s no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns -- boat, shoe, clock -- by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.

And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.

This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity -- salvation -- for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."

"We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country -- nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."

And believe they do. After eight straight victories -- and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow -- Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do -- maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats -- the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.

Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.

ABC\'s Jake Tapper notes the "Helter-Skelter cultish qualities" of "Obama worshipers," what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls "the Cult of Obama." Obama\'s Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience -- to such rhetorical nonsense as "We are the ones we\'ve been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek."

That was too much for Time\'s Joe Klein. "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism ... ," he wrote. "The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."

You might dismiss The New York Times\' Paul Krugman\'s complaint that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality" as hyperbole. Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama\'s Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."

*snip*

Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He\'s going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can\'t possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran\'s President Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.

Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House. My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obama_casts_his_spell.html

That article describes some in here perfectly.
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« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2008, 01:10:40 PM »
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http://www.factcheck.org/clinton_vs_obama.html

I don\'t think we can get anybody worse than Bush was. And what about Obama "giving away free health care"?

I don\'t really think you know ANY politician\'s "grand ideas" at this point.


You are too young to remember Jimmy Carter - by far the worst president in US history.
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« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2008, 01:18:09 PM »
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You are too young to remember Jimmy Carter - by far the worst president in US history.


Well at least he can out-bling most other pruzidents with his PEEEZEEE Prize. woot!

Why does Israel get so much free money? What do they have on you? Doesnt that bother you, Giga?
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« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2008, 01:22:28 PM »
The only real ally we have in the Middle East perhaps.  What do you have against Israel fastson?  Anti semetic?  

If you knew anything about this country you would know Carter was despised and a one term president who was only elected because of Watergate.  Nobel Peace Prize?  LMAO what a joke of an award.  Sort of like the Academy Awards.
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« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2008, 01:30:12 PM »
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The only real ally we have in the Middle East perhaps.  What do you have against Israel fastson?  Anti semetic?  


But I thought you were bros with the Saudis, and Pakis?

No, I\'m not a jew hater. Being critical of Israel does not mean I hate jews.

So they get all this free cash and weapons just to.. do what? Has Israel done anything to help you out in Iraq or Afghanistan? What did Israel give to your Katrina-victims?
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« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2008, 01:42:29 PM »
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But I thought you were bros with the Saudis, and Pakis?

No, I\'m not a jew hater. Being critical of Israel does not mean I hate jews.

So they get all this free cash and weapons just to.. do what? Has Israel done anything to help you out in Iraq or Afghanistan? What did Israel give to your Katrina-victims?


Are you really that dumb to think it would be a good idea if Israel got involved with Iraq or Afghanistan?  Are you wishing for WWIII?  It is quite obvious why they haven\'t been involved.

Israel is surrounded by enemies who have tried to destroy Israel time and again... wait a minute - we have had this conversation...  I am not wasting anymore time on it.  If you don\'t know the history of the region then I suggest you read about it.
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« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2008, 01:55:23 PM »
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obama_casts_his_spell.html
 
That article describes some in here perfectly.
Wow, are you in panic mode already, Giga?  Uh oh!  The United States might elect a progressive democrat to the presidency.  The sky is falling, Chicken Giga!
 
I\'m not even going to bother posting any pro-liberal or anti-conservative stuff until the candidates are actually nominated.  We have 9 more months to waste on this argument.
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« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2008, 08:16:22 PM »
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obama_casts_his_spell.html

That article describes some in here perfectly.[/QUOTE]


Giga, you really are startin\' to act like a moonbat!..:D....I guess he\'s the only candidate makin\' promises and such right?....c\'mon everybody is makin\' promises and stating what they would do for the country....this country is in such bad shape, i don\'t expect the next president(whoever they may be) to fix the problems in in the first four years,...yea it\'s really that bad...it\'s all the same giga,... stop focusing on obama so much because he\'s black..Obama\'s theme is hope and people are eating it up.....McCains theme is hope also and he too has a following....Hillary? she\'s singin\' the same song...as a matter of fact they all are....they are all sayin\' s**t to get people to vote for them...

And stop sayin\' it\'s the cool thing to do because he\'s black...Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson didn\'t have this type of following and again when it was all white candidates goin\' for the presidency white folks had no problem with black folks votin\' for them,...so don\'t try and say it\'s hip and cool to vote for him because he\'s black....look pass the color and don\'t follow the masses who will always bring up race when it comes to him,...judge him on his thoughts and ideas, not on his race, and then if you criticize him, then i can respect you a bit more in that sense...
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« Reply #115 on: February 16, 2008, 01:16:35 AM »
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Are you really that dumb to think it would be a good idea if Israel got involved with Iraq or Afghanistan?  Are you wishing for WWIII?  It is quite obvious why they haven\'t been involved.


Sure, why not? Involvement doesnt just mean boots on the ground.

Change the question then, what has Israel ever done for you? Except blow up your ships. :thumb:

But hey, its your tax money. Enjoy!
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« Reply #116 on: February 16, 2008, 03:51:07 AM »
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« Reply #117 on: February 18, 2008, 06:24:22 AM »
Lmao

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« Reply #118 on: February 18, 2008, 07:15:27 AM »
Perfect description:
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« Reply #119 on: February 18, 2008, 09:46:02 AM »
Where are you from again, Giga?
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