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Who would you nominate for POTUS?

illary Clinton (D)
4 (13.3%)
arack Obama (D)
14 (46.7%)
ohn Edwards (D)
1 (3.3%)
ill Richardson (D)
0 (0%)
oe Biden (D)
0 (0%)
udy Giuliani (R)
6 (20%)
ike Huckabee (R)
2 (6.7%)
itt Romney (R)
0 (0%)
red Thompson (R)
0 (0%)
ohn McCain (R)
3 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 30

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« Reply #90 on: February 13, 2008, 09:15:11 PM »
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So what you\'re saying is you have no interest in the policies or positions of the candidates.  You simply hate Hillary Clinton and you\'re planning to cast your ballot solely on the basis of personality.

I have no problem with someone hating Hillary; in fact I can somewhat understand that.  But to acknowledge that you have no beliefs of your own, and you would vote simply to vote against her is completely idiotic.

Maybe you should reflect on this a little more.


Well, I never said the reasons why I hate Hillary. I would think that hating a candidate entails or at least it should entail that the person that makes such a claim has a reason to hate a candidate.

I don\'t literally hate her, I don\'t like her policies and the way she goes around doing business. Obama strikes me as more honest (i.e. "What is your weakness question?) I don\'t like the idea of healthcare for everybody because I don\'t think it can be done especially with this country\'s current financial situation.

I have a strong feeling that Hillary would further push the already partisan environment in the senate and in the government in general which would make it more difficult to get things done in order to get this country back on track to the economic, social and political power we ought to be.
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« Reply #91 on: February 13, 2008, 09:27:01 PM »
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I don\'t literally hate her, I don\'t like her policies and the way she goes around doing business. Obama strikes me as more honest (i.e. "What is your weakness question?) I don\'t like the idea of healthcare for everybody because I don\'t think it can be done especially with this country\'s current financial situation.


obama wants universal health care too

but mccain also wouldnt mind being in iraq 100 years sooo...

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« Reply #92 on: February 13, 2008, 11:13:06 PM »
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obama wants universal health care too

but mccain also wouldnt mind being in iraq 100 years sooo...

think ud be torn



St. Paul Pioneer Press: Edwards and Clinton would require all Americans to have health insurance. Obama\'s plan guarantees coverage for all Americans but does not require all to have it.

st.paul.obamaAs we\'ve noted previously, there is an important semantic distinction here. Obama\'s plan wouldn\'t guarantee that every individual had health insurance, just that everyone would have the opportunity to obtain it. Under the Clinton and Edwards plans, coverage would be required, and thus truly universal, at least in theory. Obama\'s clipping of the Pioneer Press article omits this point.

http://www.factcheck.org/obamas_creative_clippings.html

Obama says it\'s "universal" only because liberal individuals are more in tune with such an offer. In reality, he has a more realistic way of approaching the problem which is by acting on the healthcare companies and their high prices.

McCain does have more faults but he is a much better candidate than Hillary if she won in my opinion.
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« Reply #93 on: February 14, 2008, 01:44:11 AM »
I\'ve kinda just given up on that whole universal healthcare bit,...it\'s a nice gesture by all candidates involved, but it will ultimately take money to finance such programs and alot of it, and any surplus that the u.s. did have was sucked dry during this iraq war....it really is sad when the u.s. has to borrow money from China to support the war....so the universal healthcare bit is wishful thinking, but it\'s just like the social security situation, which at this point is non-existant for any of us or our kids because of the gov\'t taking from it so much....
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« Reply #94 on: February 14, 2008, 05:55:28 AM »
But is it so much wishful thinking if the war is ended?  Not saying I totally agree with just ending our occupation suddenly... but spending nearly 500 billion on this stupid ass war just to overthrow Saddam instead of spending it in our own country for our own people... I can\'t get with that.

I always thought the Republican Party was about limited government, more individual responsibility.  Wasn\'t it Ronald Regan that said "Government is not the solution, it is the problem."?  What the hell happened that that ideal?

The U.S. Government has grown larger than ever before under the Bush Administration.. the deficit is larger than ever under the Bush Administration.  I know some this this can be attributed to 9/11, but the B.A. seems to think the American dollar is monopoly money.

I\'m a Republican voting for Obama.  If Hillary gets the nomination I fear she will not win, she has a severe P.R. problem & nobody except staunch dems will vote for her.  Obama is already starting to siphon independents from McCain.

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« Reply #95 on: February 14, 2008, 07:02:07 AM »
^  I agree with what JBean said.

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McCain does have more faults but he is a much better candidate than Hillary if she won in my opinion.

I don\'t care why you dislike Hillary.  That was not the question.

Let me rephrase my earlier statement:  WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU VOTE FOR MCCAIN?????  You stated that in a contest between Obama and Mccain, it would be hard for you to decide "who I should support with a bumper sticker."  Can you not perceive a significant difference between those two candidates?
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« Reply #96 on: February 14, 2008, 07:59:52 AM »
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I\'m a Republican voting for Obama.  If Hillary gets the nomination I fear she will not win, she has a severe P.R. problem & nobody except staunch dems will vote for her.  Obama is already starting to siphon independents from McCain.


JBean you are a RINO - not a Republican.  Anyone who votes for Obama is a fool.  Two years in the Senate with NO notable accomplishments does not qualify one for the office of President.  Stupid college kids voting for Obama because he is black and it is the cool thing to do, and oh yeah he has that hip slogan "Change you can believe in"... :rolleyes:  For the love of god ELABORATE!!!!

Pull us out of Iraq in 6 months and see what happens.  Obama will be another Jimmy Carter.  Not to mention be prepared to have a lighter wallet if he wins.
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« Reply #97 on: February 14, 2008, 09:29:16 AM »
Obama’s Global Tax Proposal Up for Senate Vote

By Cliff Kincaid (02/13/08)
The American Daily

[Excerpted]

A nice-sounding bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.

Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has not endorsed either Senator Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But on Thursday, February 14, he is trying to rush Obama\'s "Global Poverty Act" (S.2433) through his committee. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends.

The bill, which is item number four on the committee\'s business meeting agenda, passed the House by a voice vote last year because most members didn\'t realize what was in it. Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require. According to the website of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, no hearings have been held on the Obama bill in that body.

A release from the Obama Senate office about the bill declares, "In 2000, the U.S. joined more than 180 countries at the United Nations Millennium Summit and vowed to reduce global poverty by 2015. We are halfway towards this deadline, and it is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day."

The legislation itself requires the President "to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day."

The bill defines the term "Millennium Development Goals" as the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).

The U.N. says that "The commitment to provide 0.7% of gross national product (GNP) as official development assistance was first made 35 years ago in a General Assembly resolution, but it has been reaffirmed repeatedly over the years, including at the 2002 global Financing for Development conference in Monterrey, Mexico. However, in 2004, total aid from the industrialized countries totaled just $78.6 billion-or about 0.25% of their collective GNP."

In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning "small arms and light weapons" and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as "the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development."

Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.\'s "Millennium Project," says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.\'s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the "Millennium Development Goals," this amounts to $845 billion. And the only way to raise that kind of money, Sachs has written, is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.

Obama\'s bill has only six co-sponsors. They are Senators Maria Cantwell, Dianne Feinstein, Richard Lugar, Richard Durbin, Chuck Hagel and Robert Menendez. But it appears that Biden and Obama see passage of this bill as a way to highlight Democratic Party priorities in the Senate.

The House version (H.R. 1302), sponsored by Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), had only 84 co-sponsors before it was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.
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http://www.americandaily.com/article/21645

This crap has to stop.  People complain about the cost of the Iraq War, but we want to give $845 billion ON TOP of what we give now?  Who do we give it to?  People that hate us anyway...  Keep the money here and help US citizens.  Eradicate poverty HERE!!!!!  I don\'t give a fuck about the rest of the world.  People really want to vote for this guy???
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« Reply #98 on: February 14, 2008, 12:08:57 PM »
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Who do we give it to?


Israel.
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« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2008, 01:10:02 PM »
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http://www.americandaily.com/article/21645
 
This crap has to stop. People complain about the cost of the Iraq War, but we want to give $845 billion ON TOP of what we give now? Who do we give it to? People that hate us anyway... Keep the money here and help US citizens. Eradicate poverty HERE!!!!! I don\'t give a fuck about the rest of the world. People really want to vote for this guy???
Hey Giga. I just read the full text of S.2433 on the Library of Congress website, and it doesn\'t say anything about requiring the US to pay .7% of GNP in foreign aid. Take a look at it yourself. I\'m not sure if this link will work, but you can certainly navigate to it from thomas.loc.gov
 
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:4:./temp/~c110IRfxaE::
 
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« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2008, 05:11:49 PM »
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^  I agree with what JBean said.



I don\'t care why you dislike Hillary.  That was not the question.

Let me rephrase my earlier statement:  WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU VOTE FOR MCCAIN?????  You stated that in a contest between Obama and Mccain, it would be hard for you to decide "who I should support with a bumper sticker."  Can you not perceive a significant difference between those two candidates?



Maybe because I like them both. I see them both as able to reach across the table to get things done rather than stalemating the whole process. McCain is older, more experienced and more knowledgeable with foreign affairs, budgets and has a more conservative healtcare plan which I think he should shake up a bit.

Obama is well...new. He is younger and very thoughtful. (It seems) But he is very inexperienced (only two years?) and I don\'t think he has full confidence he can be the next president.

If it came down to it I would likely sway Obama because it\'s the "cool thing" to do because I\'m in college and you know how easily we are swayed by the masses and can never make a choice based on what we know and what we research...

Not really.

McCain\'s reluctancy to call the Iraq war a disaster is very distracting. On top of that I feel as if a younger more in tune president is what this country needs at this point. I\'m very much a risk taker and I think I would like to take that risk with Obama.
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« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2008, 07:46:39 PM »
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Hey Giga. I just read the full text of S.2433 on the Library of Congress website, and it doesn\'t say anything about requiring the US to pay .7% of GNP in foreign aid. Take a look at it yourself. I\'m not sure if this link will work, but you can certainly navigate to it from thomas.loc.gov
 
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:4:./temp/~c110IRfxaE::
 
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^^^I like this guy....:fro:...Giga you really need to stop...people are votin\' for him because he\'s black and it\'s the cool thing to do?....:p.....like i stated before, we have somebody with experience in the white house now and look at what direction the country is going in....the housing market is a mess...people are fearing we\'re leaning towards a recession,...we\'re spending millions monthly on an iraq war than really has no end in sight,...and regardless of of iraq having fewer suicide attacks (instead of say 20 a day it\'s reduced down to 10)..:rolleyes:...and you still can\'t walk around there safely without gettin\' shot or for fear of gettin\' killed.

I enjoyed the Bill Clinton years....but Hillary is just of a different breed, when she speaks she just sounds robotic and talks like a true politician,....Obama is fresh and new and he can connect better with the american people better than Hillary,....if he\'s elected President, only time will tell if his inexperience will be a factor, but one thing is certain and that is a change is definitely needed in washington....
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« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2008, 09:04:06 PM »
I guess I am a RINO.  Born and raised in a Republican household where I didn\'t dare question why I was a Republican... you just were under my stepdad\'s roof.  As I got older and graduated college I started to question why I was still a Republican.  Now I\'m an Independent.. at least I will be as soon as I get around to changing my party affiliation.

I am also a Christian (not trying to bring religion into this... woops) so I am bombarded with friends of mine who vote the straight republican ticket.  I just always felt that the majority of the Republicans in congress merely pander to the Evangelical vote.  And most Christians who vote straight down the party lines each election don\'t really dig into the bible and see all the ways the Republican Party does NOT follow many of the teachings in it.  No doubt, I agree with some of their stances on moral issues, but when it comes to social issues the dems aren\'t perfect.. but they are better IMO.

Oh, and i also dislike career politicians.  I am all for a 2 term limit for all positions in elected government.  And I like Obama because I feel he hasn\'t been "corrupted" or learned to "accept" what goes on behind closed doors in our Government.  If anything this next president needs to be a master of inspiration and motivation rather than have loads of experience.

Bush fucked up this country well enough, and I figure Obama couldn\'t do any worse ;).. I hope the Republicans get their asses kicked this fall and learn from their (his) mistakes.
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« Reply #103 on: February 15, 2008, 06:18:25 AM »
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^^^I like this guy....:fro:...Giga you really need to stop...people are votin\' for him because he\'s black and it\'s the cool thing to do?....:p.....like i stated before, we have somebody with experience in the white house now and look at what direction the country is going in....the housing market is a mess...people are fearing we\'re leaning towards a recession,...we\'re spending millions monthly on an iraq war than really has no end in sight,...and regardless of of iraq having fewer suicide attacks (instead of say 20 a day it\'s reduced down to 10)..:rolleyes:...and you still can\'t walk around there safely without gettin\' shot or for fear of gettin\' killed.

I enjoyed the Bill Clinton years....but Hillary is just of a different breed, when she speaks she just sounds robotic and talks like a true politician,....Obama is fresh and new and he can connect better with the american people better than Hillary,....if he\'s elected President, only time will tell if his inexperience will be a factor, but one thing is certain and that is a change is definitely needed in washington....

Keep drinking the koolaide.  Obama will be the worst thing to happen to this country if he is elected.  He is the MOST LIBERAL senator in the entire senate.  When the attacks between the candidates start in earnest this will be brought up and the vote-blinders on quite a few people will come off.  If you think the economy is bad now - wait until Baraka gets a hold of it with all his grand ideas to eliminate poverty and give people free healthcare.  Who is going to pay for this????  

But, is being black, charismatic, and having a good voice enough to qualify a man to be President of the United States? If so, maybe the GOP should see if we can get James Earl Jones or the Rock to run as McCain\'s veep. They\'re both charismatic, they\'re both black, and as an added bonus, neither of them is significantly less qualified to be President of the United States than Barack Obama.
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« Reply #104 on: February 15, 2008, 06:30:52 AM »
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Hey Giga. I just read the full text of S.2433 on the Library of Congress website, and it doesn\'t say anything about requiring the US to pay .7% of GNP in foreign aid. Take a look at it yourself. I\'m not sure if this link will work, but you can certainly navigate to it from thomas.loc.gov
 
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:4:./temp/~c110IRfxaE::
 
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