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« on: March 18, 2008, 05:59:37 AM »
Sen. Barack Obama\'s pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
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Is Obama\'s Pastor a Liability?

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama\'s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago\'s south side, has a long history of what even Obama\'s campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don\'t think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don\'t always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright\'s sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing \'God Bless America.\' No, no, no, God damn America, that\'s in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda\'s attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America\'s chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.



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Well, this has been on the news for the past week and Obama is making a speech about it today.  For a guy that is running on a platform of "bringing America together", this is bad news for his chances.  Considering he refer\'s to Wright as his uncle, mentor, spiritual advisor, etc... and then claims he didn\'t know about such statements even though he has been attending the church for 20 years... I find it unbelievable.  

It is obvious Wright hates this country and considering some Michelle Obama\'s comments along with the fact that Obama refused to wear an American flag on his lapel and put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem - it makes sense.

I don\'t know about anyone else, but when I do attend church (once in a blue moon) I never hear shit like this.  For people to make excuses that it is a "black thing", etc. is bullshit.  Not to mention him supporting Obama from the pulpit should have the tax exempt status of this Church of Hate removed.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 07:20:22 AM »
Whelp he already stated that he doesn\'t agree with some of the crap he states,...that said tho,...and let\'s be honest...and i\'ve even said it before...the u.s, has and continues to enforce unfair policies all over the world,..even before 911,...yes the u.s. gives help to to millions across the world, but they also have unfair policies in place that really have pissed off some folk..that kind of counters all of that generosity.

That said tho,..if this pastor feels that way,..he should just pack up and leave...America is no saint when it comes to enforcing their policies,..but they certainly aren\'t the worst....yea racism exists and to some,... afri americans will always be seen as 2nd or 3rd class citizens, but i can name a dozen or moreso countries that are waaay worse....


Obama doesn\'t need to address this pastor,...he stated that he condemned his statements and that he doesn\'t agree with them...i think him tryin to explain it any further is gettin away from the issues at hand like the economy and the war.....*i\'m shocked that his staff hasn\'t pointed this out to him*...and he has to be smart about this,...if he tries to defend this guy, he can just watch that white support slip......only the assholes in the media care about this as i\'m sure the average american are just worrying about job growth, the housing dilema, the war..and the economy...
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2008, 07:28:00 AM »
Lol..try actually going to this church b4 u pass a judgment.  I have been there several times with my grandmother when I was younger. Nothing like the recent things have ever been said.

This guy would have been on someones radar long ago if he had been doing this shit for the last 25 years.

The thing that kills me is how much scrutiny 9secs on vid here and 17 secs of vid there turns into. The entire sermons need to seen in order to correctly judge the content and context of all that was said.

A 10sec clip of Castro kissing a baby saying I love the USA wouldn\'t change the fact that he is still a POS.  It would take years of change b4 ppl would change their view about him. Thats why I dont think its fair to judge this loudmouth by a few short clips.

Jeremiah Wright has done many wonderful and fantastic things for the underprivileged in the Chicago area. I cant say much other than that as I do not know the man. I also know he has said some powerfully controversial things in the last4-5 yrs apparently.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2008, 07:33:50 AM »
On a side note, I think he delivered an excellent speech and addressed the issue correctly.
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 07:38:02 AM »
aggh...i missed it....i\'m gonna have to youtube it....
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 09:13:31 AM »
His pastor is an idiot. I hope God strikes him dead. :p

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 09:14:49 AM »
Both Obama and McCain have been linked to a crazy preacher.
 
In McCain\'s case it\'s the anti-catholic anti-semitic John Hagee:
 
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDibKu9cwCdKWIQ4MXDoy3Ab37-gD8V68I800
 
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Yesterday, though, the equally fringe, radical and hateful (at least) Rev. John Hagee -- a white evangelical who is the pastor of a sprawling "mega-church" in Texas -- enthusiastically endorsed John McCain. Did McCain have to jump through the same hoops which Russert and others set up for Obama and "denounce" Hagee\'s extremism and "reject" his support? No; quite the opposite. McCain said he was "very honored" to receive this endorsement and, when asked about some of Hagee\'s more twisted views, responded: "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee\'s support."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html
 
 
I do not care about any religious association of a candidate unless that person is so deeply involved that they may be controlled by their clergy.  (Such as Romney or Huckabee)
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 09:36:53 AM »
Funny thing is how everyday I keep hearing how if faux news didnt break the story and start running the clips..the lefty media never would have. Where are all of the loops of insanity that ass Hagee spews?
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 09:39:59 AM »
Quote from: Coredweller
Both Obama and McCain have been linked to a crazy preacher.
 
In McCain\'s case it\'s the anti-catholic anti-semitic John Hagee:
 
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDibKu9cwCdKWIQ4MXDoy3Ab37-gD8V68I800
 

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html
 
 
I do not care about any religious association of a candidate unless that person is so deeply involved that they may be controlled by their clergy.  (Such as Romney or Huckabee)



First of all McCain hasn\'t dedicated a book to this guy, or has he referred to him as family and a mentor.  You are mixing apples and oranges.  Who is worse?  Hagee or Farrakhan and Wright?    

Hussein\'s speech was a joke - he basically admitted that he lied about not knowing about the controversial remarks which he stated 3 days ago that he had no clue about.  Anyone who attends that church and feels it is positive needs their head examined.

His church is a "black theology" church - ie. a racist church.  How many comments does it take to call a spade a spade luckee?  Ever wonder why Oprah left years ago?  Wright is hateful and has no place remotely near the white house.  If this had been a white minister and a white candidate they would have been asked to step down and even resign their position in goverment, which is exactly what I think Osama NObama should do - resign his Senate seat.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 09:42:07 AM »
Quote from: luckee
Funny thing is how everyday I keep hearing how if faux news didnt break the story and start running the clips..the lefty media never would have. Where are all of the loops of insanity that ass Hagee spews?


This was news over a year ago, but the lefty media wouldn\'t touch it. After all, Chris Matthews gets a special feeling up his leg everytime he hears Osama speak.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 09:53:19 AM »
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On a side note, I think he delivered an excellent speech and addressed the issue correctly.



Yeah i finally seen it...he did a superb job....and all he did was tell the truth about race relations in america...unfortunately now, i\'m sure the media wants him to donate a body part to show that he doesn\'t share the same values...i was watchin\' some guy on cnn the other night who wrote up an article about obama\'s pastor,....and i think lou dobbs asked.."Was Obamsa condeming of his pastors comments enough?"...and the idiot edior or journalist stated "no"...it\'s not enough,...he needs to do more....


People will not be satisfied no matter what you do....this pastor has his own views and outlook on life.....even tho some of the stuff the pastor stated was hurtful,..alot of it is indeed true,...but Obama really doesn\'t need that as a distraction....he addressed it and now he needs to leave it alone....i give him props for being honest on the issue,...but just drop this thing completely....


It is funny how one of Clintons supporters made some controversial remarks concerning obama, and yet Clinton didn\'t ask her to resign,..she clearly stated that she just didn\'t agree with her and that was the end of that...same thing with this pastor with McCain.....so controversial remarks by whites can be slid under the mat, while any controversial remarks by an afri. american,....at least in this presidential campaign gets 24 hrs a day footage....this is why i will always say that things will always be twicw as hard for any afri. american....to get that job or house..and in this case the presidency....Obama has to bend backwards just to prove himself, when his other white counter-parts, don\'t have to,...it\'s bulls**t...
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2008, 10:15:18 AM »
Maybe because Wright basically said all the problems in the US, scratch that, the world are "whitey\'s fault".  

Twice as hard to get a house for a black person?  Pllllllllease stop talking out of your ass.

Tell me what is true about what this so called Pastor said?  White America created the AIDS virus to kill blacks?  America lied about Pearl Harbor?  We created 9/11?  I hope they continue playing his idiotic comments over and over again so people can see what Hussein and Michelle really think about America.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 10:18:29 AM »
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If this had been a white minister and a white candidate they would have been asked to step down and even resign their position in goverment, which is exactly what I think Osama NObama should do - resign his Senate seat.

Do you have anything else to say about Obama, because it feels like you\'re grasping to claim that you\'re offended by this little non-event.  Seriously, he should resign his senate seat because of something someone else said?
 
You better hope they come up with a REAL scandal on Obama, because otherwise, McCain in doomed in November.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2008, 10:18:35 AM »
Just to add,...the media has been playin this race card from day one...."will Obama be the first black prez?"...."Is America ready for an afri. american president?"...if you have to ask that question,..then it\'s clear that america is still confined in an ignorant mindset and still has a extrordinary painfully long way to go in terms of racial relations.....
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 10:25:21 AM »
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Do you have anything else to say about Obama, because it feels like you\'re grasping to claim that you\'re offended by this little non-event.  Seriously, he should resign his senate seat because of something someone else said?
 
You better hope they come up with a REAL scandal on Obama, because otherwise, McCain in doomed in November.


Yes I am offended by his mentor/uncle/spiritual advisor.  I am also offended by his wife\'s comments.  Not to mention I don\'t like Hussein\'s socialist policies such as redistribution of wealth, etc.  He is the real threat to this country.

Yes he should resign his seat, Trent Lott was forced to resign over much less.
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