Obama and his Pastor

[Paul2]

my former "English" teacher is a good example who has a very strong racial tension.

maybe it\'s time you got a president who didn\'t go to church at all...

[videoholic]

We wont even begin to get past racial tensions until all ppl from that era are all dead.

Are we talking about Elvis?  I can\'t wait until everyone fascinated with Elvis are dead.  Although I was 6 when he died so it will be quite a while.:jacked:



Obama is a waste.  Great political speaker, but he ain\'t shit.  He doesn\'t know shit.  He was a friggen senator for god\'s sake.  Presidency is nothing like being a senator.  That\'s why presidents usually come from governors and the business world.:soapbox:

maybe it\'s time you got a president who didn\'t go to church at all...

To be honest, I would be much happier if my president had the intelligence to not follow the horseshit we call religion.:thumb:

[clips]

Obama is a waste.  Great political speaker, but he ain\'t shit.  He doesn\'t know shit.  He was a friggen senator for god\'s sake.  Presidency is nothing like being a senator.  That\'s why presidents usually come from governors and the business world.:soapbox:

We already have a prez that has experience and we\'ve seen the results of that...Obama seems to have more common sense than our current commander in chief, not to mention we\'re spending millions every month on an iraqi war with no end in sight...bush states the surge is working, but if we pull out, iraq will fall apart...well wtf?..our troops are destined to stay there forever?....the u.s. is tired of bush and this tired-ass war,..and votin for McCain?...this guy doesn\'t even know who\'s doin\' what as far as al-qaida(spel) and iran is concerned,...and isn\'t he about 90?...nobody wants an old ass prez...and votin\' for him, you might as well be votin for bush all over again....

To be honest, I would be much happier if my president had the intelligence to not follow the horseshit we call religion.:thumb:

It\'s ok to follow religion,..as long as you\'re not too radical with it...for some religion gives discipline and structure to one\'s life..

[videoholic]

I wouldn\'t exactly say McCain is like voting for Bush.  I mean the ole fuck was a POW for god\'s sake.

Bush had a very tough 8 years.  Not only did he have the .com crash, but he had 9/11.  That is real tough.  Combine that with coming after Clinton who had the .com boom, a couple unretaliated mild terrorist events and it looks real bad.

I don\'t agree with some of the stuff Bush has done, but man I just couldn\'t imagine having some one as political as Obama in the white house.  And to be honest, I really don\'t think he has a shot in hell of beating McCain anyway.  Look at the last two elections...  Democrats get all the publicity and look like the shoe in and end up losing come November.

With that said, what the fuck do I know..

It\'s ok to follow religion,..as long as you\'re not too radical with it...for some religion gives discipline and structure to one\'s life..

Can\'t you just have discipline and structure on your own without following the horseshit of parting waters, a big boat with dinosaurs on it, and creating a chick from a rib?

I was watching one of those cable news channels a few nights ago and the general consensus is that repubs. would rather see Hilary take the NOM as they feel she is much weaker running against McCain.

[clips]

Can\'t you just have discipline and structure on your own without following the horseshit of parting waters, a big boat with dinosaurs on it, and creating a chick from a rib?

...oh absolutely....i\'m sure there are plenty of people that have solid foundations in life without religion,..life in general is just using basic common sense...i was just sayin that in politics they kind of expect you to have such high moral values and to be the holiest person on the planet,..well certain special interest groups do anyway....

I was watching one of those cable news channels a few nights ago and the general consensus is that repubs. would rather see Hilary take the NOM as they feel she is much weaker running against McCain.

Yea i heard that too,..but i don\'t know..i think hillary would hold her own against McCain,..i\'ve seen the debates she had with Obama and she faired pretty well....It\'s weird to see Obama and hillary debate tho,..because both of their plans for america are so similar,...there are really just minor differences between them....if hillary did go up against McCain, i think they(the republicans) would be in for a huge surprise

Like I said.......listen to the whole thing instead of spur of the moment, uninformed decisions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x279GNMwvY

Take 10 minutes................

[Titan]

Like I said.......listen to the whole thing instead of spur of the moment, uninformed decisions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x279GNMwvY

Take 10 minutes................

Damn. I was starting to question Obama because of those snippets they put in the news. Its funny how they spin things. I know it happens and they only show the half truth and I guess that\'s a perfect lesson. The masses can be persuaded by simple editing.

Show me one study that says one thing and I\'ll show you another that states the opposite.

Who the hell knows what is real anymore in the digital age.

[Titan]

Show me one study that says one thing and I\'ll show you another that states the opposite.

Who the hell knows what is real anymore in the digital age.

Which is why I try to just find the middle of the road. I feel the truth is in the middle instead of from one side or the other unless it is from a very credible source. I think in politics everyone bullshits and the best thing to do is listen to both sides then make a decision. Anyone who submits themselves to everything a party has to say is scary as shit.

[clips]

Like I said.......listen to the whole thing instead of spur of the moment, uninformed decisions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x279GNMwvY

Take 10 minutes................

I listened to it and it\'s funny how he was quoting somebody else...and the fact that the person who said those things were white.*the media definitely took that little snippet and ran with it*...but this was over several years ago....i think the media was more upset about him sayin "god damn america"... and like i stated earlier those comments that he stated about hillary not knowin\' what it\'ll be like to be called a nigger and bill clinton ridin\' dirty is just uncalled for....who wants tro hear that type of talk when they\'re in church?...not me....

And i\'ll be the first person too defend afri. americans against any discriminatory act, but i don\'t think the best way to fight racism is with more racism....i think we have to be above all of that...i mean i get angry when i hear of incidents of afri. americans bein\' treated unfairly at the hands of some white folk or even dying in some scenarios *thinks of the guy that was dragged to pieces from the back of a pickup truck some years ago*....but even so that doesn\'t mean i\'ma tell my kids that all white folk are racists or evil..(i say that because i seen a vid of him sayin that white folk where the enemy)....and when i go outside i\'ma bash the next white folk i see....

Now the pastor didn\'t say that, but what i\'m sayin\' is that is what will happen when you keep all of that anger inside of you...i\'m fully aware that racism exists, but i\'m not walkin\' around angry at all white folks about it....my kids are fully aware of racism, but they also know that all white folk aren\'t like that...and when you\'re talkin\' like that, you gotta understand that young kids are in the church, takin\' this stuff in like a tape recorder.....every time a racist incident that involves white kids(like the jena 6 incident) i said that type of s**t starts with the parents,...the same applies here, only it\'s in the church...

[videoholic]

I think the point is more that he is on Obama\'s Election Committee more than anything else.  Someone who can speak like that actually on his campaign is pretty bad.

Personally I think that in a presidential election against McCain this could be very bad for Obama. I respect his decision to defend the pastor and not try to distance himself but I think it was a horrible decision politically. Comparing this situation to the McCain-Hagee situation is un-warrented as Hagee was just endorsing McCain while the Pastor is, according to Obama, a very close family friends. I think the fact that he is a close family friend puts Obama in tough spot because its hard to end a relationship like that but at the same time it could end his chances at becoming the next president.

I think the biggest problem in this situation for Obama is that it shows poor judgment on his part. The man is obviously racist and filled with hatred yet Obama goes as far as to call this man his mentor. That makes people think to themselves "how much of this garbage does Obama believe in?" I would like to know the answer to that, because Obama seems to be pretty level headed and full of some good ideas.

[Viper_Fujax]

they also said clinton crying would end her chance of becoming president. It\'s just going to be a bump in the road. without this, hes had a pretty flawless run. All they\'ve had on him is using someone speech (oooo) and not having the plans to backup his claims. The second ones a bigger deal, but the fact that mccain and clinton used that at the same time to try to bring obama down as he was gaining a bunch of momentum lessens clinton and mccain\'s mud slinging credibility.

if he wins the nomination, it\'s going to be a long time, and a whole other race, till we\'re voting for president. As for the rest of the states in the primary, im not sure how many people it will affect.