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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2008, 10:31:36 AM »
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If all Americans (including 100% of the so-called "black community") had instantly condemned Wright\'s hatred and bigotry ... This whole thing would have faded away a long time ago.

Actually, it would\'ve faded away a long time ago had Obama\'s political opponents not decided that repeatedly aligning the two would create a negative image in people\'s minds and make their own politicians look better by contrast.
 
But, the message hasn\'t been lost on me. I will make sure not to vote for Rev. Wright. He would be a terrible president.
 
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it\'s just a cop-out for your true racist feelings down deep

Also, I think Obama is black in the way that Tiger Woods is black. Like, that country club golfer kind of black. Almost an off-white, really. ... Racism is silly. At least we can all agree that a WOMAN would suck, though, MIRITE?
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2008, 10:39:27 AM »
The only thing Giga cares about is finding and scraping up anything that could possibly make the democratic front runner look bad, no matter how pointless and stupid it might be.  Then he\'s going to blow it out of proportion and claim false outrage at whatever it is, and proclaim that it will bring about the end of our nation if anyone votes for that candidate.
 
I\'m going to give Mr. Giga the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he does this NOT because of Obama\'s skin color, but because of his own stubborn economic ideology.  He used to post all kinds of crazy bullshit about Al Gore and John Kerry, so I don\'t think this has anything to do with racism.
 
Yes, I think the ONLY issue Giga cares about is his belief that a democrat in the white house is going to ruin our economy.  As if Bush hasn\'t excelled at making that happen in the last 7 years.  The No.1 issue for all Republicans and necons is always Money.  Everything else is distraction and deception.
 
All this stuff about Rev. Wright is just a means to an end for Giga.  He doesn\'t really care about it because he would never vote for Obama anyway.  He\'s simply trying to convince us that we shouldn\'t vote for Obama.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2008, 10:40:18 AM »
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It\'s just like stating to the world that..."well since bush invaded iraq then i guess ALL AMERICANS felt it was the right decision to go into iraq since he\'s our president".....nope president bush decided to do that s**t on his own...


The bullshit meter is going to break with all the nonsense you keep posting.  

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In a January 2003 CBS poll, 64% of Americans approved of military action against Iraq.


H J RES 114     YEA-AND-NAY     10-OCT-2002   3:05 PM
      QUESTION: On Passage
      BILL TITLE:  To Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

Yea - 296
Nay - 133

Yeah Bush did this all on his own.  :rolleyes:

So what you are saying is that Obama is the best for this country and if us "typical white people" don\'t vote for him we are racist?  

And Core, we can talk about Ayers instead if you like...  Hell, Barry has a ton of skeletons in his closet to choose from. Yes, I hijacked the thread because this is yet another post by clips whining about Iraq and Bush.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2008, 10:44:23 AM »
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The only thing Giga cares about is finding and scraping up anything that could possibly make the democratic front runner look bad, no matter how pointless and stupid it might be.  Then he\'s going to blow it out of proportion and claim false outrage at whatever it is, and proclaim that it will bring about the end of our nation if anyone votes for that candidate.
 
I\'m going to give Mr. Giga the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he does this NOT because of Obama\'s skin color, but because of his own stubborn economic ideology.  He used to post all kinds of crazy bullshit about Al Gore and John Kerry, so I don\'t think this has anything to do with racism.
 
Yes, I think the ONLY issue Giga cares about is his belief that a democrat in the white house is going to ruin our economy.  As if Bush hasn\'t excelled at making that happen in the last 7 years.  The No.1 issue for all Republicans and necons is always Money.  Everything else is distraction and deception.
 
All this stuff about Rev. Wright is just a means to an end for Giga.  He doesn\'t really care about it because he would never vote for Obama anyway.  He\'s simply trying to convince us that we shouldn\'t vote for Obama.


You know us bitter people cling to guns and religion right?  As per Barry Hussein\'s own words.
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2008, 10:50:55 AM »
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You know us bitter people cling to guns and religion right? As per Barry Hussein\'s own words.
Thanks for supporting my assertion.
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2008, 10:59:12 AM »
Bitter really is a good word to describe Giga.

He probably caught some Dem in bed with his wife and now hates them all.
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2008, 07:08:23 PM »
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Yeah Bush did this all on his own.  :rolleyes:

So what you are saying is that Obama is the best for this country and if us "typical white people" don\'t vote for him we are racist?




I wonder why i didn\'t buy his story then?...cause clearly i was against this invasion from the jump,....and he basically did wage a war on his own,...the only major country that helped him was britain....as far as the racial comment goes....i stated that if you don\'t vote for him because of his views in general then i can understand that, but constantly connecting him to wright is just plain dumb and it\'s just covering up some deep racial issues within yourself...why do i say racial?...because in connecting wright to obama you\'re tryin\' to say that Obama himself is racist..simple...i don\'t like the fact that some white folk are just ignoring anything Obama states in tryin\' to simply say he cannot control what comes outta his mouth,... again people are acting like Obama himself have said those things when clearly he hasn\'t...


After hearin\' that first speech, i felt like he gave an honest look at race in america,...and for people to just say" meh i don\'t care about that speech i\'m still connecting him to wright"....to me is really just an unfair reason not to like him , hey it\'s your right to feel that way, but to me it seems like that there\'s more goin\' on with the folk that feels this way...he didn\'t say "god damn america" and he didn\'t even call white folk out of their name,...but alot of you white folk are acting like he did...focus your anger and hatred at wright if you feel that way...
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2008, 06:35:33 AM »
I think the phrase "white folk" needs to be bandied about a little less frequently. ;)

As an aside: Who\'s going to win the Democratic nomination?

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2008, 06:05:01 PM »
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I wonder why i didn\'t buy his story then?...cause clearly i was against this invasion from the jump,....and he basically did wage a war on his own,...the only major country that helped him was britain....as far as the racial comment goes....i stated that if you don\'t vote for him because of his views in general then i can understand that, but constantly connecting him to wright is just plain dumb and it\'s just covering up some deep racial issues within yourself...why do i say racial?...because in connecting wright to obama you\'re tryin\' to say that Obama himself is racist..simple...i don\'t like the fact that some white folk are just ignoring anything Obama states in tryin\' to simply say he cannot control what comes outta his mouth,... again people are acting like Obama himself have said those things when clearly he hasn\'t...


After hearin\' that first speech, i felt like he gave an honest look at race in america,...and for people to just say" meh i don\'t care about that speech i\'m still connecting him to wright"....to me is really just an unfair reason not to like him , hey it\'s your right to feel that way, but to me it seems like that there\'s more goin\' on with the folk that feels this way...he didn\'t say "god damn america" and he didn\'t even call white folk out of their name,...but alot of you white folk are acting like he did...focus your anger and hatred at wright if you feel that way...



No one will probably read this or they will discredit the source, but here is a great article on Wright and Black Liberation Theology and the white perspective.  Not that you care clips because according to you anyone who focuses on Wright\'s connection to Obama is racist.

The Real Agenda of Black Liberation Theology
By Jeffrey Schmidt
Now, suddenly, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright is misunderstood.  Suddenly, so-called black liberation theology is misunderstood.

Wright\'s successor at Trinity United Church of Christ, the Reverend Otis Moss III, won\'t bow to the wishes of "they" to shut up.  It begs the question: "Who are they?"  The larger white cultural?  Or liberals and Democrats who see all this unfavorable publicity hurting the election chances of Barack Obama?

The sad truth is that neither the Reverend Wright nor black liberation theology is being misunderstood.  Both, thanks to the candidacy of Barack Obama, are being exposed.  God, in fact, works in mysterious ways.  And unless it\'s the aforementioned liberals and Democrats who are trying to hush up Wright, Moss and others of their ilk, sensible Americans want to hear more, for knowledge is power, the power to combat hate.  

And make no mistake, what Americans are hearing, they don\'t like. In the Rasmussen poll, 73% of voters find Wright\'s comments to be racially divisive.  That\'s a broad cross section of voters, including 58% of black voters.  

In an article in the Washington Post,  unnamed ministers commented that black liberation theology "encourages a preacher to speak forcefully against the institutions of oppression..."

And what might these institutions be?  They are not specified.  But it is safe to say that they are not the welfare state or the Democratic Party.  Given that black liberation theology is a product of the dreary leftist politics of the twentieth century, the very vehicles employed by the left to advance statism certainly can\'t be the culprits.

For the left, black liberation theology makes for close to a perfect faith.  It is a political creed larded with religion.  It serves not to reconcile and unite blacks with the larger cultural, but to keep them separate.  Here, again, The Washington Post reports that "He [Wright] translated the Bible into lessons about...the misguided pursuit of ‘middle-classness.\'"

Not very Martin Luther King-ish.  Further, all the kooky talk about the government infecting blacks with HIV is a fine example of how the left will promote a lie to nurture alienation and grievance.  To listen to Wright -- more an apostle of the left than the Christian church -- the model for blacks is alienation, deep resentment, separation and grievance.  All of which leads to militancy.  Militancy is important.  It\'s the sword dangled over the head of society.  Either fork over more tax dollars, government services and patronage or else.  And unlike the Reverend Moss and his kindred, I\'ll specify the "else."  Civil unrest.  Disruptions in cities.  Riot in the streets.

Keeping blacks who fall into the orbit of a Reverend Wright at a near-boil is a card used by leftist agitators to serve their ends: they want bigger and more pervasive government -- and they want badly to run it.

If any further proof is needed that black liberation theology has nothing to do with the vision of Martin Luther King -- with reconciliation, brotherhood and universality -- the words of James H. Cone, on faculty at New York\'s Union Theological Seminary, may persuade.  Cone, not incidentally, originated the movement known as black liberation theology.  He said to The Washington Post:

    "The Christian faith has been interpreted largely by those who enslaved black people, and by the people who segregated them."


No mention of the Civil War involving the sacrifices of tens of thousands of lives; no abolition or civil rights movements.  No Abraham Lincoln.  No Harriet Beecher Stowe.  No white civil rights workers who risked and, in some instances, lost their lives crusading in the south to end segregation.  And since the civil rights movement, society hasn\'t opened up; blacks have no better access to jobs and housing; no greater opportunities.  The federal government, led by a white liberal, Lyndon Johnson, did not pour billions of dollars into welfare programs and education targeted at inner cities in an attempt to right old wrongs.  And still does so.  A black man, Barak Obama, on the threshold of winning his party\'s nomination for president, has in no way done so with the help of white voters in communities across the land.    

In the closed world of Cone, Wright and Moss, Jefferson Davis and Bull Connor are alive and well.  Black victimhood is the doing of white society, not the doing of angry black leaders and leftists, who see advantage and profit in keeping too many people in black communities captive.      

Barack Obama knows all this, as a seventeen year congregant at Wright\'s church, and as a liberal community activist prior to his election to the Illinois Senate.  That he feigns innocence, or that he professes forbearance for some of Wright\'s words because of the goodness of others, is not the line one expects from a post-racial politician.  It is what is expected from a man whose career is steeped in racial politics, a politics that does great harm to the very people it purports to serve.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_real_agenda_of_black_liber.html

Deny it all you want... there is a connection and I wouldn\'t vote for him on this alone.  He is not a uniter, and I personally am glad that the veil has been removed to show what really goes on in some black churches.

Trinity United is a racist church - Obama is still a member of said church and has been... I don\'t see how hard it is to connect the dots.  Apparently people like Core have blinders on and see no evil where it truly exists.
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2008, 07:19:10 AM »
Y\'know how some white folks today say s**t like...hey"slavery happened waaay back then and why are you blaming me for it?....i had nothing to do with that?"...and when they do say that, i agree with them,....the same can be said for obama...obama AGAIN, is not responsible for what these people say or do...Has Obama acted in any way or fashion for you to really be like.."damn he\'s racist or i feel he\'s goin\' to try to put more legislation in place for black folks when he gets in the white house?"....i don\'t think so...


We\'ve already been over the fact that wright really has some issues goin\' on ...but again watch some his speeches,..and alot of what he states about race relations are indeed true,..whether you white folks like it or not,..BUT on the flip side of that, he\'s also said some things that was highly discriminatory towards white folks and to me no preacher has no business talking like that in any church...people come to hear the word of the bible,..not to hear such segregated and hateful talk....but that article has a bit of a liberal knock against it....and i don\'t really know what you\'re tryin\' to prove..i already know wright has deep anger in him regarding the way he sees race relations in america...I Feel Obama wants to move beyond that....


And if there are some black churches that feel this way or is racist as you say, then i\'m sure there are probably even more white churches that are the same way....see how that works?...Obama does not represent the church...and until he starts talkin\' like his preacher, i\'m going to continue to believe that he wants to truly unite people and to get this country back on track....
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2008, 10:03:39 PM »
Who is this anamoly we call Jumpman? How is he able to do what he does and still survive after years of torment? It seems he feeds on the hate, growing with an intense passion to put unassuming members in their place.

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2008, 09:37:29 AM »
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You think that maybe in about 15-20 years Bush will finally admit that invading Iraq was a mistake?.....look at that stupid grin on his face....little did he know that this little war of his was about to take a turn for the worse....in american lives and billions in american tax money....


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16102772/detail.html

I wouldnt rule out the possibility that he knew something like that was going to happen but did it anyways.

Some "individuals" gain a lot from extended wars. And this war isnt over yet.

Iraq could only be the first stimulus of an ongoing chain of wars in the middle east.

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2008, 10:35:25 AM »
Doesn\'t matter if it was a mistake or not. It doesn\'t matter if he will admit it or not. We\'re there, we\'re committed to it. Now we have to move forward and figure our way out of it.  Hate to say it like that, but it\'s true.
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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2008, 10:44:37 AM »
just hopefully we actually learn from it this time...i wasn\'t even alive for vietnam and i saw the similarities when everything starting going downhill after the resurgence.

part of me just wants to get the fuck out..the other part of me is like, what are all those deaths for if we pull out? and is it worth taking more deaths to justify those deaths? im leaning towards no, but it still sucks to see thousands die in vein. not to mention that we have to live with this for longer than when we just pull out..who knows which direction itll all go


anyway, after obama won big in one state and barely lost in the other its looking like he\'s going to win. i\'ll be voting for him as opposed to mccain. mccain seems like any other mediocre president..old stick in the mud that will just keep running the country the way it is with no progression. but because of that, people know what theyre going to get (even though theyll bitch about it) and he\'s more likely to win...main reason i think bush got his second term..we knew he wouldnt do anything crazy and we\'d keep fighting..didnt know what the hell to expect when kerry got in
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2008, 04:06:22 PM »
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just hopefully we actually learn from it this time...i wasn\'t even alive for vietnam and i saw the similarities when everything starting going downhill after the resurgence.

part of me just wants to get the fuck out..the other part of me is like, what are all those deaths for if we pull out? and is it worth taking more deaths to justify those deaths? im leaning towards no, but it still sucks to see thousands die in vein. not to mention that we have to live with this for longer than when we just pull out..who knows which direction itll all go


anyway, after obama won big in one state and barely lost in the other its looking like he\'s going to win. i\'ll be voting for him as opposed to mccain. mccain seems like any other mediocre president..old stick in the mud that will just keep running the country the way it is with no progression. but because of that, people know what theyre going to get (even though theyll bitch about it) and he\'s more likely to win...main reason i think bush got his second term..we knew he wouldnt do anything crazy and we\'d keep fighting..didnt know what the hell to expect when kerry got in
Staying in war means that we will see even more die in vein because lets face it. In terms of your and my good this war is pointless. This war serves only purposes for the few.

This is not the only war we are going to see in the middle east.

 

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