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« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2008, 06:43:46 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2008, 05:29:42 AM »
Doin\' some mo\' thinking....I saw on the news a couple of days ago at how china is paying just under $3.00 a gallon for gas?...now i know chinas currency is different from ours, but how is it, china at the moment is importing most of the oil, while americans have actually cut back on driving and cut back back on imports from the middle east yet we still have record prices?...and it\'s even been stated that for china prices to be just below $3.00 they actually had to put a gas tax on it...

So everybody in the u.s. is stating a variety of explanations...speculators on wall st. supply and demand,..manipulation,...or we need to start drilling here...i have three thoughts on this and one of is a bit more radical while the other two is a bit more rational.

One thought is that since the u.s. owes china billions for the iraq war,....the profits made from these gas prices are privately being used to pay back portions of the debt owed to china, bush & co are acting like they\'re concerned, buy are just letting the masses argue over really impossible ways to find some relief for these high gas prices in the immediate future,..while on the low, they are secretly payin\' back this debt...there\'s no way we should be payin\' $4.00 and up for gas and we\'ve actually cut back on foreign imports when china and india are currently importing the most oil..

Another report came out the other day stating that u.s. oil companies already have over 65 million acres of land that they could use to search for oil that they haven\'t even touched or exhausted yet. I don\'t see the argument where everybody is stating that "well if we start offshore drilling in those restricted areas then oil prices will drop"...that\'s bulls**t given the fact that these oil companies already have huge amounts of land or ocean space that they haven\'t even touched yet,.... how can they say that drilling in these "new areas" will drop oil prices?...the fact is that they won\'t,..they just want more land so that they can lace their pockets even more.

That said,..i also think the falling u.s. dollar has alot to do with it....with the way the gov\'t has cut interest rates, because of the housing market, the dollar is very weak right now, and that is another reason why i feel oil prices are high,..whenever the u.s. gets outta this housing slump and the gov\'t are able to raise the interest rate again,..i think the dollar will recover and we\'ll see that price of gas start to drop again.

Those are my three thoughts of the current situation.
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« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2008, 06:34:20 AM »
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Doin\' some mo\' thinking....I saw on the news a couple of days ago at how china is paying just under $3.00 a gallon for gas?...now i know chinas currency is different from ours, but how is it, china at the moment is importing most of the oil, while americans have actually cut back on driving and cut back back on imports from the middle east yet we still have record prices?...and it\'s even been stated that for china prices to be just below $3.00 they actually had to put a gas tax on it...

So everybody in the u.s. is stating a variety of explanations...speculators on wall st. supply and demand,..manipulation,...or we need to start drilling here...i have three thoughts on this and one of is a bit more radical while the other two is a bit more rational.

One thought is that since the u.s. owes china billions for the iraq war,....the profits made from these gas prices are privately being used to pay back portions of the debt owed to china, bush & co are acting like they\'re concerned, buy are just letting the masses argue over really impossible ways to find some relief for these high gas prices in the immediate future,..while on the low, they are secretly payin\' back this debt...there\'s no way we should be payin\' $4.00 and up for gas and we\'ve actually cut back on foreign imports when china and india are currently importing the most oil..

Another report came out the other day stating that u.s. oil companies already have over 65 million acres of land that they could use to search for oil that they haven\'t even touched or exhausted yet. I don\'t see the argument where everybody is stating that "well if we start offshore drilling in those restricted areas then oil prices will drop"...that\'s bulls**t given the fact that these oil companies already have huge amounts of land or ocean space that they haven\'t even touched yet,.... how can they say that drilling in these "new areas" will drop oil prices?...the fact is that they won\'t,..they just want more land so that they can lace their pockets even more.

That said,..i also think the falling u.s. dollar has alot to do with it....with the way the gov\'t has cut interest rates, because of the housing market, the dollar is very weak right now, and that is another reason why i feel oil prices are high,..whenever the u.s. gets outta this housing slump and the gov\'t are able to raise the interest rate again,..i think the dollar will recover and we\'ll see that price of gas start to drop again.

Those are my three thoughts of the current situation.

Clips - link some sources please.  I believe you are way off base in your assertion that oil companies have huge amounts of land and ocean space that they are ignoring.  I do know that oil companies can drill on 2000 acres in ANWAR, but that is like a postage stamp on a football field.  The fact is you have to drill and drill and drill - maybe on the 80th try you will find something.  Sure, they have an idea where these reserves are, but it took the Norwegians 76 tries to find one of the largest reserves of natural gas and oil in the world just off their coast.

We need to drill NOW.  I have no idea why environmentalists are so opposed to us drilling when over the past decade alone drilling has become very clean in regards to the environment.  No spills in the Gulf during Katrina is a prime example.  

Drill HERE, Drill NOW.
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« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2008, 07:05:03 AM »
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We need to drill NOW.  I have no idea why environmentalists are so opposed to us drilling when over the past decade alone drilling has become very clean in regards to the environment.  No spills in the Gulf during Katrina is a prime example.  

Drill HERE, Drill NOW.
Probably because the use of oil as a source of energy is prologued thus prolonging its negative consequences on the environment as well for more decades.. Just as you say "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW"  these people want to push the introduction of alternative environmental friendly sources of energy "NOW"
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« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2008, 07:35:47 AM »
I eagerly await the day we run out of oil.
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« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2008, 07:37:24 AM »
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Clips - link some sources please.  I believe you are way off base in your assertion that oil companies have huge amounts of land and ocean space that they are ignoring.  I do know that oil companies can drill on 2000 acres in ANWAR, but that is like a postage stamp on a football field.  The fact is you have to drill and drill and drill - maybe on the 80th try you will find something.  Sure, they have an idea where these reserves are, but it took the Norwegians 76 tries to find one of the largest reserves of natural gas and oil in the world just off their coast.




You have been watching Out Of Gas huh? ;)
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« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2008, 07:38:28 AM »
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I eagerly await the day we run out of oil.


You wont be alive to see it.
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« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2008, 08:34:29 AM »
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You have been watching Out Of Gas huh? ;)

Nah haven\'t seen it.  Newt Gingrich is fond of saying it though and he is right.  I know drilling alone won\'t solve our problems, but with both new drilling and research for alternate energy sources - that would solve our dependence on the Middle East down the road.  After all to find and convert to a new energy source would take decades, so why not use the oil we have?

I think we need to do a combination of both.  We have more reserves than the entire Middle East combined.  Drill our own oil and invest in research for new energy sources and we would have no need to care what goes on in Iran, Iraq, etc.
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« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2008, 08:37:38 AM »
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Probably because the use of oil as a source of energy is prologued thus prolonging its negative consequences on the environment as well for more decades.. Just as you say "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW"  these people want to push the introduction of alternative environmental friendly sources of energy "NOW"


See my post above - new alternate energy sources will take decades - minimum to implement.  We should not sit on our hands and wait for that day to come while being held hostage by OPEC.  DO BOTH.  

BTW what do you care?  Do you even have cars on Cyprus?  I hear mounting a goat can get you from one end of the island to the other in about 30 seconds.
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« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2008, 08:57:18 AM »
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Clips - link some sources please.  I believe you are way off base in your assertion that oil companies have huge amounts of land and ocean space that they are ignoring.



Ahhh...giga, i hate researching stuff on the net,..i usually get most of my info offa cnn, but here ya go....i initially heard this news on cnn,..but this is a link that describes what i was talking about...



http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7DA1F9IAJgAV2dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycWlyN2M0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0gxMjFfNzY-/SIG=12ov4qhec/EXP=1214326336/**http%3a//www.house.gov/apps/list/press/fl20_schultz/DrillingFacts.html
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« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2008, 08:58:49 AM »
It took Brazil about 20 years(give or take) and they are now officially independent of foreign oil.
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« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2008, 09:47:37 AM »
I can\'t wait till you Americans come knocking on our door for Alberta\'s oil sands.

And then we hold it ransom until you return William Shatner to us.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4649580.stm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml

Only place that has more crude oil is Saudi Arabia
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« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2008, 10:57:50 AM »
Oil shale is the hot thing right now.  They just bought our mineral rights in my neighborhood.
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« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2008, 11:03:40 AM »
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Ahhh...giga, i hate researching stuff on the net,..i usually get most of my info offa cnn, but here ya go....i initially heard this news on cnn,..but this is a link that describes what i was talking about...



http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7DA1F9IAJgAV2dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycWlyN2M0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0gxMjFfNzY-/SIG=12ov4qhec/EXP=1214326336/**http%3a//www.house.gov/apps/list/press/fl20_schultz/DrillingFacts.html


That is a partisan opinion piece.  Not knocking ya bro, but that is typical partisan politics at its finest.  "We Democrats passed... blah blah..."  Same goes if it was a Republican site.  Basically, she is distorting information to support her point.  Yes the oil companies have "leased" that land, but what she doesn\'t mention is that the oil companies "know" there is no oil there.  

This is exactly what most Americans are sick of and why Congress\'s approval rating is lower than Bush\'s.  Congress (especially the HoR) is worthless.

On a similar note... this whole thing is what is tearing America apart.  We should go back to the good old times where the President and the VP were elected based on who got the most votes and the runner up.  

I doubt anyone could complain about an Obama/McCain Presidency.  It would force these two bickering parties to work together and stop pointing fingers.
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« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2008, 11:31:24 AM »
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It took Brazil about 20 years(give or take) and they are now officially independent of foreign oil.


Right you are... 3 decades to be exact.  

As Brazil Fills Up on Ethanol, It Weans Off Energy Imports
David Luhnow
Geraldo Samor
The Wall Street Journal, 16 January 2006


RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- After nearly three decades of work, Brazil has succeeded where much of the industrialized world has failed: It has developed a cost-effective alternative to gasoline. Along with new offshore oil discoveries, that\'s a big reason Brazil expects to become energy independent this year.

To see how, take a look at Gildo Ferreira, a 39-year-old real-estate executive, who pulled his VW Fox into a filling station one recent afternoon. Instead of reaching for the gasoline, he spent $29 to fill up his car on ethanol made from sugar cane, an option that\'s available at 29,000 gas stations from Rio to the Amazon. A comparable tank of gasoline would have cost him $36. "It\'s cheaper and it\'s made here in Brazil," Mr. Ferreira says of ethanol. If the price of oil stays at current levels, he can expect to save about $350 a year.

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At current prices, Brazil can make ethanol for about $1 a gallon, according to the World Bank. That compares with the international price of gasoline of about $1.50 a gallon. Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it\'s still cheaper per mile driven. As a result, ethanol now accounts for as much as 20% of Brazil\'s transport fuel market. The country\'s use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s. The use of alternative fuels in the rest of the world is a scant 1%.

Yet countries wanting to follow Brazil\'s example may be leery about following its methods. Military and civilian leaders laid the groundwork by mandating ethanol use and dictating production levels. They bankrolled technology projects costing billions of dollars, despite criticism they were wasting money. Brazil ended most government support for its sugar industry in the late 1990s, forcing sugar producers to become more efficient and helping lower the cost of ethanol\'s raw material. That\'s something Western countries are loath to do, preferring to support domestic farmers.

With government support, sugar companies and auto makers\' local units delivered cost-saving breakthroughs. "Flexible fuel" cars running ethanol, gasoline or a mixture of both, have become a hit. Car buyers no longer have to worry about fluctuating prices for either fuel because flex-fuel cars allow them to hedge their bets at the pump. Seven out of every 10 new cars sold in Brazil are flex-fuel.

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So the question is why didn\'t we do this?  A variety of reasons, but our lawmakers like to point their fingers at each other.  Oil companies, auto makers, consumers and lawmakers are all to blame.  I would also like to point out in the first paragraph of the above article the words "new offshore oil discoveries".  It is a combination of both new alternate energy sources and existing ones that will get us out of the situation that we are in.

On another note, corn is not as economically viable as sugar cane in producing flex fuel.  Only now do we see a few flex fuel cars on our roads...  For a so called third world country to see this coming and create their own self reliance really makes us look bad.
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