Global Warming

[GmanJoe]

The Earth just ended the mini-Ice Age that started in the 1300s and ended in the 1900s.

So fuck yeah it\'s getting warmer.

I fall under not caring. Global Warming won\'t kill me. Cancer may. Not global warming.

Skin cancer?

[Titan]

The Earth just ended the mini-Ice Age that started in the 1300s and ended in the 1900s.

So fuck yeah it\'s getting warmer.

Are you sure? You may want to check those dates. The mini-Ice Age I believe ended soon after the American Revolution.
EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

I\'m not concerned about plankton. There are periods when a big volcanic eruption would raise the temperature of the earth at a similar faster rate than now and life adapted fine.

Hell, read that article and click on the Medieval Warming Period. They compare the warmth during that period to that of Global Warming. This period of warmth also helped to end the dark ages because people were able to grow a surplus of crops.

[GmanJoe]

Are you sure? You may want to check those dates. The mini-Ice Age I believe ended soon after the American Revolution.
EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

I\'m not concerned about plankton. There are periods when a big volcanic eruption would raise the temperature of the earth at a similar faster rate than now and life adapted fine.

Hell, read that article and click on the Medieval Warming Period. They compare the warmth during that period to that of Global Warming. This period of warmth also helped to end the dark ages because people were able to grow a surplus of crops.

Wiki?

I think the early 1900s had some freakish winter storms. I also remember the 70s being a white winter. That\'s rare these days.

Thanks Giga, nice to read something from the other side of the coin.

If we\'d just invest in Global Air Conditioning, this would all go away.

I really don\'t know what to think. I do believe that this world is due for some huge major change. The way we eat away at all our natural resources. There going to be some major fallout soon. I don\'t think it will happen in mylife time. At least I hope it doesn\'t.

I just think that with all that goes on there has to be some sort of repercussion for all that we take for granted.

Regardless of whether the point being made is true, I don\'t hold much value to that article, because the author fails to back up any of the points he made.

Now allow me to talk a little about the science behind the global warming frenzy. I have dug through thousands of pages of research papers, including the voluminous documents published by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.  I have worked my way through complicated math and complex theories. Here’s the bottom line: the entire global warming scientific case is based on the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the use of fossil fuels.  

Were are those theories and math? Anyone can claim this....

Let me illustrate. I estimate that this square in front of my face contains 100,000 molecules of atmosphere.  Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand.  That makes it a trace component.  Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth?  It can’t.  That’s all there is to it; it can’t.

This means nothing without evidence, there are lots of components that are very dangerous even with low concentration, for instance hydrogen cyanide is lethal at about 50 units per million.

Numerous independent research projects have been done about the greenhouse impact from increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide. These studies have proven to my total satisfaction that CO2 is not creating a major greenhouse effect and is not causing an increase in temperatures.

Again, name those research projects, anyone can make this claim about anything.

^^^yea...i was watching the discovery channel and i think the series was called deep blue?..not sure..but there was one segment where they showed the blue whales that come up to a certain part of the ocean to feed on plankton,..and what was said in the documentary was that they practically eat close to a ton of plankton in a single serving,..so i guess there is some type of balance going on in nature in general,...for whales to eat close to a ton of those things, there must be at least a trillion of those animals in the ocean...thus the high tolerant level...

this is a bit silly in reasoning if I read it right...

The only thing that matters is the percentage of plankton that would die from "global warming". Big numbers don\'t make a species tolerant to extinction, it is the success of adapting to changing circumstances.

the point mm made about "natural" selection could be true, but there is no guarantee this is enough to save the planet. If losses are too high we may run out of sufficient oxygen levels. This is pure speculation from my part though...

btw. clips, you do realize that 1. a ton of plankton is a means of weight, not numbers (there are probably millions and millions of plankton in a ton) and 2. The percentage of plankton eaten by whales is close to zero?

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WE\'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!

This picture was taken from space, only 2 minutes ago

[Jumpman]

Meh, where I live is not on fire or remotely burnt.

That\'s how you beat global warming. Live where the legend lives.

[Cerberus]

try living where I live, it\'s been pissing down all summer, and it\'s rarely got into the high 20\'s

probably one of the coldest summers I can remember.

[Titan]

I really don\'t know what to think. I do believe that this world is due for some huge major change. The way we eat away at all our natural resources. There going to be some major fallout soon. I don\'t think it will happen in mylife time. At least I hope it doesn\'t.

I just think that with all that goes on there has to be some sort of repercussion for all that we take for granted.

I dont\' think it will happen in my lifetime either. However, it is our generation that can possibly stop the repercussions from getting worse. Back in the day they didn\'t care about pollution. Could have been ignorance of what they were doing or just plain indifference. Either way, things have happened and some generation has to take responsibility and try to make the impact of the past less painful for the future generations through changes. I\'m not sure about global warming if its really as big of a deal as they say. I\'m leaning more towards natural climate shift expedited by humans through things like pollution and deforestation. But are we the cause of this climate shift? No. It was going to happen just like other climate shifts through the ages. We just sped it up and many people I have talked to about this agree. It seems like to me the people with the biggest mouths are getting the attention (like Gore for global warming and some conservatives saying its not).

It is impossible though to ignore the CO2 levels in recent years. They are growing. However, what people don\'t know is that carbon levels vary from region to region. In many areas, the CO2 levels have remained constant whereas in an area like NYC, they have grown substantially. This questions the validity IMO of the global warming in regards to the green house effect. It seems if the levels are higher in one place, then you will see the warming effect. But what about a place that is completely devoid of human life like Greenland or Alaska? Wouldn\'t they not see any greenhouse effects? Maybe I\'m wrong. Just throwing out a theory.

[Viper_Fujax]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/weather/06/27/north.pole.melting/index.html

[clips]

btw. clips, you do realize that 1. a ton of plankton is a means of weight, not numbers (there are probably millions and millions of plankton in a ton) and 2. The percentage of plankton eaten by whales is close to zero?

I realize it is weight, but that\'s still alot of plankton....what i wasn\'t aware of was that the percentage eaten by whales was actually close to zero percent...


 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/weathe...ing/index.html

I saw this today on cnn....interesting article but scientists have been sayin\' that the polar caps are going to melt and cause mass floods for years...*shrugs*....i do feel that maybe there are little hot spots of so called global warming,..sort of in the way that titan mentioned...mostly in cities and high volume urban area\'s were you have alot of traffic and concrete pavements...

If you ever notice when watching your local weather, the area\'s that are almost always hotter are the city and urban area\'s...why?..because of the traffic and intense heat the blacktop pavements and  buildings which reflect alot of heat and gases into the immediate surrounding atomosphere....while the suburbs are mostly cooler, because of that area having more trees and shade to actually suppress some of the heat and gases...it also helps that trees & most shrubs help to clean the air slightly in these areas.

I saw this today on cnn....interesting article but scientists have been sayin\' that the polar caps are going to melt and cause mass floods for years...*shrugs*....i do feel that maybe there are little hot spots of so called global warming,..sort of in the way that titan mentioned...mostly in cities and high volume urban area\'s were you have alot of traffic and concrete pavements...

Did they say when? What I remember was that they said that the polar caps will melt "soon" due to global warming. They didnt say when. And quite frankly I ve heard that they melt faster than they initially thought.

If you ever notice when watching your local weather, the area\'s that are almost always hotter are the city and urban area\'s...why?..because of the traffic and intense heat the blacktop pavements and  buildings which reflect alot of heat and gases into the immediate surrounding atomosphere....while the suburbs are mostly cooler, because of that area having more trees and shade to actually suppress some of the heat and gases...it also helps that trees & most shrubs help to clean the air slightly in these areas.

If its hotter in urban areas doesnt mean that the problem is less worse.

1) The fact that urban areas increase heat are a problem

2) If the urban areas are hotter than other areas that doesnt equal that the temperature increases arent high enough to be worrisome in other areas. For example some forest areas in Russia (was it near Siberia? cant remember) that were known for their low temperature and moisture, had fire for the first time because now they are drier and hotter.

Forests are shrinking, and the biota in these areas is being destroyed