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Obama: Your children should learn to speak Spanish...
« on: July 09, 2008, 12:50:33 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk


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I don\'t know about anyone else, but this bothers me. We have for nearly 250 years spoken english as our national language, although we don\'t have an official language like most nations do. I don\'t think we shouldn\'t strive to learn other languages to better our selves. I\'m just tired of walking in to a hospital where there has to be Spanish and English on the walls for warnings and labels. Everything should be in English imo. I think if Obama had worded this better it wouldn\'t be so bad, but why should I have to learn Spanish so I can speak to illegal immigrants who are painting my walls.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2008, 08:10:51 PM by Coredweller »

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 01:13:26 PM »
It is only realistic. More and more spanish people are coming every single day and they are having children. It all only makes sense for this country to end up having it be a mandatory thing for children to also learn Spanish.

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Obama: Your children should learn to speak Spanish...
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 01:22:41 PM »
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It is only realistic. More and more spanish people are coming every single day and they are having children. It all only makes sense for this country to end up having it be a mandatory thing for children to also learn Spanish.



Why not have it mandatory for the immigrants to learn English, before they come over her at their expense and not mine? Your taxes and everyone\'s taxes go towards funding ESL(English as Second Language) and other programs for people who are not English speaking.

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 02:35:43 PM »
first of all, your embedded video doesn\'t work.  2nd of all, I agree that English is the official primary language in America.  3rd of all, first generation immigrants that come to America from other countries can keep their native language, and let their American born kids learn English in school.  Assimilation in the work there.  Of course, the first generation american born kids will know both their ancestry language to interact with their parents native tongue and relative and the American english language to interact with the american society.

I believe this has been the case for hundred of years where other European countries that are not English come to America they don\'t speak English.  They adapt to the American lifestyle, but still kept their ancestry lifestyle.  Until their later generation American born kids assimilate and adapt more to the American lifestyle than their parents were.  and eventually 2nd and 3rd generation american born kids just spoke english like their parents did.  and in this case, English is their primary and only English that they know of.  where a few know or learn both their ancestry language and the American English language.

So, the point I am trying to make is English should be the only mandatory language requires not just all American born kids, but immigrant kids under the age of 18 to learn in school.  And Spanish and other languages should be optional just how it is now so the kids can decide if they want to learn another secondary or 3rd languages or not.  That\'s just my opinion there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 05:54:50 PM »
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Why not have it mandatory for the immigrants to learn English, before they come over her at their expense and not mine? Your taxes and everyone\'s taxes go towards funding ESL(English as Second Language) and other programs for people who are not English speaking.
I think one of the reasons it could so that you as locals you would understand what they are saying in their own language.

Having spanish-speaking workers in the US that can speak two languages while you cant understand what they are saying in their own language, could put you in a disadvantage.

A second reason which I think is more possible is that, teaching Spanish in schools I guess could be more productive and easier to implement than trying to teach English to many of the Spanish speaking immigrants, many of which are looking for any job opportunity just to survive while anything else is secondary for them.

Think about it. Many come to the US and are hired to "back office" jobs immediately, especially the cheap workers for cost efficiency. The cost to teach them English burdens the business that hires them because they wont necessarily go to school and try to learn English in their "free time". So they prefer having supervisors and American employees that can speak Spanish to manage and communicate with them from the beginning instead.

Now, in the "front office" if they are hiring Spanish-speaking workers thats definitely an area where English is mandatory considering that the first language in the US is English.
 
I am not sure if these are the reasons, they are just wild guesses but if they are then I wonder how much corporate goals and concerns could be involved in the decision.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2008, 06:00:12 PM by Unicron! »

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 06:11:45 PM »
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Why not have it mandatory for the immigrants to learn English, before they come over her at their expense and not mine? Your taxes and everyone\'s taxes go towards funding ESL(English as Second Language) and other programs for people who are not English speaking.


Heaven forbid we try to learn another language.  Just because half the world bends over backwards to teach english as a second language doesn\'t mean we shouldn\'t try to learn one ourselves, especially since its so prevalent in our country.  Should immigrants learn english? sure.  Would it be beneficial if we spoke spanish? Definitely.  Whats the problem again?
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 06:27:30 PM »
im in the midst of learning italian..ill have more time with summer school done. I know i should be spending my time on spanish to help my career but if its not interesting me, then ill probably flake out. italian on the other hand i\'ve been wanting to learn and plan on going after i graduate

but yea..it\'s kids. make them learn it while they can, especially when theyre young and are like sponges. My mom teaches 1st grade in a poor neighborhood where some of her students dont know any english. by the time theyre out of her class they can speak with no accent.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 07:17:43 PM »
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It is only realistic. More and more spanish people are coming every single day and they are having children. It all only makes sense for this country to end up having it be a mandatory thing for children to also learn Spanish



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Heaven forbid we try to learn another language. Just because half the world bends over backwards to teach english as a second language doesn\'t mean we shouldn\'t try to learn one ourselves, especially since its so prevalent in our country. Should immigrants learn english? sure. Would it be beneficial if we spoke spanish? Definitely. Whats the problem again?



I agree 100%... trust when you cats from the younger set finally go out on your own and look for jobs,..especially if you\'re in the medical field as my wife is in...*she\'s a nurse*...on almost every job application she\'s applied for before we moved to georgia stated..."applicant must be bilingual(spel)"....or "applicant must be able to speak spanish"....it\'s just the way it is now....you\'re not going to see applicant must speak french or applicant must speak german....with spanish basically being the other dominant language in the nation, it only makes sense.

Now i do believe that first and foremost english is and should be the official language of the land, and i didn\'t hear him say anything along the lines of that spanish should be the official language....it should be noted tho, that both Obama & McCain have been catering to the latino vote for the past week,..so while i do feel what Obama is saying is indeed true,..*our kids really can only benefit from it*....i think he was kind of kissin\' up to tha latino\'s there...;)

But i do feel that more pressure should be applied for latino\'s to learn english if they are here, rather than for the average american to be forced to speak spanish,..and i only say that because,..if you go to their country, or any other country, they are not going to bend over backwards to try and learn english,...you have to step up and learn the language of the land you\'re in...
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2008, 05:59:01 AM »
Fuck Spanish.  Why should it be required?  I am all for learning another language, but what happened to the choices we had in high school (speaking to us older folks) of German, Spanish, French and Latin?  

Now it seems Spanish is the only other language offered.  I have no desire to learn Spanish, I have no desire to go to Mexico or anywhere Spanish is spoken and I resent that my children are forced to learn Spanish when it has nothing to do with our heritage.  

As to what Paul was blathering about in the other thread regarding nationality, I am of German and English ancestry and I would like my children to have a choice to what 2nd language they want to learn.

BTW English IS the language of diplomacy.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2008, 07:43:26 AM »
Do people in Mexico fucking bend over backwards to speak English for me? So because people come over here illegally, my children should learn to speak Spanish? That just sounds like liberal bullshit, again as I stated I\'m all for learning other languages as I stated above in my post which appeared to be ignored, but just because "thats the way it is" doesn\'t mean thats the way it should be. Obama only said that to appease the the mexicans that can vote and who are sympathetic to the illegals over here with 15 anchor babies.

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2008, 07:56:18 AM »
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Do people in Mexico fucking bend over backwards to speak English for me? So because people come over here illegally, my children should learn to speak Spanish? That just sounds like liberal bullshit, again as I stated I\'m all for learning other languages as I stated above in my post which appeared to be ignored, but just because "thats the way it is" doesn\'t mean thats the way it should be. Obama only said that to appease the the mexicans that can vote and who are sympathetic to the illegals over here with 15 anchor babies.


Someone should cut his nuts out.  Oh wait...
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2008, 09:09:53 AM »
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Someone should cut his nuts out.  Oh wait...


Badum..pshhh...;)
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 09:11:40 AM »
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Do people in Mexico fucking bend over backwards to speak English for me? So because people come over here illegally, my children should learn to speak Spanish? That just sounds like liberal bullshit, again as I stated I\'m all for learning other languages as I stated above in my post which appeared to be ignored, but just because "thats the way it is" doesn\'t mean thats the way it should be. Obama only said that to appease the the mexicans that can vote and who are sympathetic to the illegals over here with 15 anchor babies.



I understand if you\'re a McCain fan, but don\'t get it twisted,..both Obama & McCain are catering to the latino vote...
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 12:51:13 PM »
Basically a play off what clips said...

I would think that McCain supporting a form of amnesty for all illegals currently in this country would be a big sticking point for republicans?  I guess not...?

Both sides are trying to woo the latino vote... and of course people are gonna go off on the nominee they are trying to demonize. :fighting:  even if their stances are similar

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/06/16/20080616elex-immigrationgrid0616.html
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 01:28:00 PM »
there\'s millions of pictures of mccain, they had to pick the one where he looks like hes thinking "..i just shit my pants"
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