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An embassy = huge presence in Iraq??? You are crazy. We have expensive embassies in most countries and I fail to see your point here. You are making assumptions on things that you have no proof of.

*sigh*...i know we have embassy\'s in other countries,..you keep missing the point...if bush stated that he doesn\'t want a u.s. presence there..he just wants iraq to govern itself so we can leave, WHY is there a huge embassy bein built over there?....don\'t be sheep, the u.s. invaded iraq cause it was 2nd largest producer of oil at the time, and the u.s. wanted an ally in iraq and a solid foothold in the heart of the middle east...

Link please.

Link?...if you\'ve followed the war in iraq early on you would\'ve noticed when bush ran back to u.n. for help....you just can\'t sit here and pic out events of the war that you like...if we\'re going to have a real discussion, let\'s talk about all the facts of the war, not just the one\'s you see fit.


It took me awhile but here\'s the link...

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu8bZ241IezAA1PJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybTNhdWoyBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0RGUjVfODI-/SIG=12q3e8uo5/EXP=1217342809/**http%3a//www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-03-bush-analysis_x.htm

Unlike you I have friends in the military and a few who were actually at the Obama event. Most of the military thinks he is a joke and I can say this with certainty.

An email from a 23 year veteran of more than one branch of the military:

And doesn\'t this proves my point that some troops proabably don\'t like Obama like i\'ve already stated?...what\'s your point?...i already know your friend here doesn\'t like Obama, but i\'m not going to take this one e-mail and say that he represents what the majority of troops feel about Obama,...i\'m sure there are troops there that are hopin\' Obama becomes the prez so he can end the war...and why would i open a link that\'s going to say only negative things about Obama?..both of those links have a negative slant against him...and fox news?...you\'re kidding right?

Oh sure..592 million is waaay different than 600 billion...:rolleyes: that is still alot of money....and that wasn\'t my point,..my point was that if we weren\'t planning on staying there, why is that massive embassy in iraq?...right so we can have a presence there...a HUGE presence btw...

i\'ve stayed out of this conversation so far because basically everyones debating on whos the tallest midget but i gotta cal you out on this one clip
600 billion is 1000x more than 592 million. please if you going to present your statements as facts check your facts first and dont pretend that a $599,408,000,000 mistake is no big deal:rolleyes:
yes that is still a lot of money but there will only be room for 1000 people in the embassy. i hardly call that a "presence" considering the majority will be administrative staff who will probably never be able to leave the compound at most they\'ll have a company or 2 of marines there which will total 100-200 per company which is not much military force for intimidating the population as you\'re insinuating. the whole point of the war now is to establish a stable government that the U.S. can have diplomatic relations with. Diplomatic relations require an embassy, building an embassy that doesnt fall apart everytime an insurgent fires a rocket into it and 1000 people have to live in is gonna cost some cash

*sigh*...i know we have embassy\'s in other countries,..you keep missing the point...if bush stated that he doesn\'t want a u.s. presence there..he just wants iraq to govern itself so we can leave, WHY is there a huge embassy bein built over there?....don\'t be sheep, the u.s. invaded iraq cause it was 2nd largest producer of oil at the time, and the u.s. wanted an ally in iraq and a solid foothold in the heart of the middle east...

Most US embassies are in need up security upgrades or have had the upgrades done.  Do you even know what an embassy is for clips?  By the way you are getting your panties in a wad over this I don\'t think you do.  The Baghdad embassy is no exception.  We already have an ally in the heart of the Middle East - Israel.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25329290/

Link?...if you\'ve followed the war in iraq early on you would\'ve noticed when bush ran back to u.n. for help....you just can\'t sit here and pic out events of the war that you like...if we\'re going to have a real discussion, let\'s talk about all the facts of the war, not just the one\'s you see fit.


It took me awhile but here\'s the link...

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu8bZ241IezAA1PJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybTNhdWoyBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0RGUjVfODI-/SIG=12q3e8uo5/EXP=1217342809/**http%3a//www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-03-bush-analysis_x.htm

This was in 2003!!!!!  Right after the war was over and it was to get help for reconstruction.  Derrrr...

And doesn\'t this proves my point that some troops proabably don\'t like Obama like i\'ve already stated?...what\'s your point?...i already know your friend here doesn\'t like Obama, but i\'m not going to take this one e-mail and say that he represents what the majority of troops feel about Obama,...i\'m sure there are troops there that are hopin\' Obama becomes the prez so he can end the war...and why would i open a link that\'s going to say only negative things about Obama?..both of those links have a negative slant against him...and fox news?...you\'re kidding right?

Fox News is > all the other US networks.  Since when did the news have to right to create the news instead of report it.  You were talking about having it both ways and I just showed you Obama is the one who wants it both ways.  Discredit the video all you want, but it is true. It is also true our troops watch Fox because it gives a more fair view of the news as opposed to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, etc.  

Trust me clips, the majority of the US military hates Obama.  Coming from a military family, having friends still serving, etc.  they all say the same thing.  The troops hate him.  I gave you, but one example since, being the professionals they are, they aren\'t supposed to talk to the media about such things.

i\'ve stayed out of this conversation so far because basically everyones debating on whos the tallest midget but i gotta cal you out on this one clip
600 billion is 1000x more than 592 million. please if you going to present your statements as facts check your facts first and dont pretend that a $599,408,000,000 mistake is no big deal:rolleyes:
yes that is still a lot of money but there will only be room for 1000 people in the embassy. i hardly call that a "presence" considering the majority will be administrative staff who will probably never be able to leave the compound at most they\'ll have a company or 2 of marines there which will total 100-200 per company which is not much military force for intimidating the population as you\'re insinuating. the whole point of the war now is to establish a stable government that the U.S. can have diplomatic relations with. Diplomatic relations require an embassy, building an embassy that doesnt fall apart everytime an insurgent fires a rocket into it and 1000 people have to live in is gonna cost some cash

Well there you go clips, couldn\'t have said it better myself - it is an EMBASSY - not a base.

I\'m not big on conspiracy issues..if Ron Paul and this other guy are so big and knowledgeable about what\'s goin\'on, they\'re in a waay better position to do something about it than the average american, yet they sit here doing an interview about it...:rolleyes:....next!!!


I believe some of what they\'re saying, but to say that paper money we recieve isn\'t really true currency?...you have to buy everything with that paper money.(food, gas etc)...all the gov\'t\'s of the world have some type of paper currency,..so now is it all just one huge world wide conspiracy?...

These guys talk a good talk, but after the camera stops rollin\' they probably go sit on the couch with their hands in their pants like Al Bundy.

Your an idiot.  I really am trying to bear with you on your arguments, but they seem to make less and less sense as we go on.

Ron Paul did try to do something about it.  He ran for President.  Most americans 40+ watch debates as their means of picking a candidate, and paul was given the equivelant of a 30 second TV spot to get his voice heard while the other candidate got a full fledged movie.  The government does not want this guy minimizing Big Government power, so they tried to hide him.

Aside from all that.  Paul votes regularly and consistently to against deficit spending and increasing government power.

Sat on the couch eh?  Get your fucking facts straight.

Not just that but some of the people interviewed (many of which not shown in that specific youtube video) are in constant battle to inform

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fyi, i don care who\'s president, i just know it\'ll be obama

Your an idiot.

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i\'ve stayed out of this conversation so far because basically everyones debating on whos the tallest midget but i gotta cal you out on this one clip
600 billion is 1000x more than 592 million. please if you going to present your statements as facts check your facts first and dont pretend that a $599,408,000,000 mistake is no big deal
yes that is still a lot of money but there will only be room for 1000 people in the embassy. i hardly call that a "presence" considering the majority will be administrative staff who will probably never be able to leave the compound at most they\'ll have a company or 2 of marines there which will total 100-200 per company which is not much military force for intimidating the population as you\'re insinuating. the whole point of the war now is to establish a stable government that the U.S. can have diplomatic relations with. Diplomatic relations require an embassy, building an embassy that doesnt fall apart everytime an insurgent fires a rocket into it and 1000 people have to live in is gonna cost some cash

Most US embassies are in need up security upgrades or have had the upgrades done. Do you even know what an embassy is for clips? By the way you are getting your panties in a wad over this I don\'t think you do. The Baghdad embassy is no exception. We already have an ally in the heart of the Middle East - Israel.

I know what an embassy is, and i do understand that it needs to be protected...the point again...is not how much it\'s costing, it was more about the fact that u.s. planned this from the very beginning,...even before the whole wmd argument and invading iraq, the u.s. planned on building that embassy, meaning that they wanted saddam out so they could have a presence there capeesh?

This was in 2003!!!!! Right after the war was over and it was to get help for reconstruction. Derrrr...

Oh yeah right after major combat missions were over right?...:rolleyes:...this was during the time when the insurgents was intensifying their attacks and beheading folks

" President Bush\'s decision to ask for the United Nations\' help in postwar Iraq is an admission that the current situation there cannot be sustained — militarily, financially or politically"

^^^Sounds to me like he needed help, and that he could not "GO IT ALONE"....and of course it\'s in 2003, i did state this happened early on in the war.

The troops hate him. I gave you, but one example since, being the professionals they are, they aren\'t supposed to talk to the media about such things.

Again i do believe that some don\'t like him, but i must respectively disagree with you that the majority of the troops dislike him...for every troop that talks in the way this troop describes Obama and the war in general, i\'ve heard these same troops critcize the war once they were relieved of duty... one general in particular,...sanchez i think his name was....anyway while he served in iraq he stated.."yeah we\'re fighting the good fight,..we\'re making progress"...then as soon as his term was over he retired and shortly afterwards, he blasted the war, stating that many troops and officers are severly punished if they speak out against the war.

Sadly in a sense troops are kinda brainwashed into thinking they are doing the right thing, but if any of them questions their superiors or speak out against the war, you\'re punished for it?...but i\'m sure your buddy won\'t admit to something like that happening. I want our troops to win no doubt, but it kinda sucks that they have to mindlessly take orders and just hope and trust that they are doin\' the right thing.

Your an idiot. I really am trying to bear with you on your arguments, but they seem to make less and less sense as we go on.

Ron Paul did try to do something about it. He ran for President. Most americans 40+ watch debates as their means of picking a candidate, and paul was given the equivelant of a 30 second TV spot to get his voice heard while the other candidate got a full fledged movie. The government does not want this guy minimizing Big Government power, so they tried to hide him.

Aside from all that. Paul votes regularly and consistently to against deficit spending and increasing government power.

Sat on the couch eh? Get your fucking facts straight.

Easy there sherlock...i stated that i agree with some of what they\'re saying...and i thought i already stated that i like Ron Paul,...not that i give a s**t or that i\'m sayin\' it for your approval.......i\'m just saying that i don\'t believe in all of the conspiracy issues they raised.....there are some things that no matter how much we\'re informed, the gov\'t is just too powerful for anybody to do anything about it...


And what arguments are you tryin\' to bear with me on?...please elaborate...:rolleyes:

fyi, i don care who\'s president, i just know it\'ll be obama

I too believe Obama will win.  I also believe that attempts will be made on his life because there are uninformed extremist out there.  Obama is the next JFK, only not as good.

I know what an embassy is, and i do understand that it needs to be protected...the point again...is not how much it\'s costing, it was more about the fact that u.s. planned this from the very beginning,...even before the whole wmd argument and invading iraq, the u.s. planned on building that embassy, meaning that they wanted saddam out so they could have a presence there capeesh?

So what is your fucking problem with it?  It is an embassy - nothing more - nothing less.  Take the tin foil hat off and relax.  I think most reading this thread also agree that your ranting about this building is idiotic.  I am not going to feed your babbling on the topic any longer after this post.

Oh yeah right after major combat missions were over right?...:rolleyes:...this was during the time when the insurgents was intensifying their attacks and beheading folks

" President Bush\'s decision to ask for the United Nations\' help in postwar Iraq is an admission that the current situation there cannot be sustained — militarily, financially or politically"

^^^Sounds to me like he needed help, and that he could not "GO IT ALONE"....and of course it\'s in 2003, i did state this happened early on in the war.

But, we did go it alone essentially and things are working out.  If this were World War II you would have already have waved the white flag.  Sounds to me like you and Nobama wanted it to fail.  Typical thinking for democrats and the rest of the blame America first crew.  The surge was the answer and it has worked - even though Osama won\'t admit it.

Again i do believe that some don\'t like him, but i must respectively disagree with you that the majority of the troops dislike him...for every troop that talks in the way this troop describes Obama and the war in general, i\'ve heard these same troops critcize the war once they were relieved of duty... one general in particular,...sanchez i think his name was....anyway while he served in iraq he stated.."yeah we\'re fighting the good fight,..we\'re making progress"...then as soon as his term was over he retired and shortly afterwards, he blasted the war, stating that many troops and officers are severly punished if they speak out against the war.

Sadly in a sense troops are kinda brainwashed into thinking they are doing the right thing, but if any of them questions their superiors or speak out against the war, you\'re punished for it?...but i\'m sure your buddy won\'t admit to something like that happening. I want our troops to win no doubt, but it kinda sucks that they have to mindlessly take orders and just hope and trust that they are doin\' the right thing.

Oh so now our troops are brainwashed?  The only brainwashed people I know of are Obama supporters.  Why don\'t you also eleborate on what Sanchez said - he blamed everyone - Congress included for the handling of the war and when he was the commander things were not going well, but that has changed.  I will make the bet here that if Obama loses, you and others will blame racist white people, since no one can not like the Obamessiah\'s policies (however convoluted they are).  Also JFK was not that great - which makes an Obama presidency about on par with that of Jimmy Carter.

Also JFK was not that great - which makes an Obama presidency about on par with that of Jimmy Carter.

I agree.  Just because your likable doesn\'t mean your suited for the Presidency.  If that\'s all it takes let\'s get Rachel Ray in the oval office.

I agree.  Just because your likable doesn\'t mean your suited for the Presidency.  If that\'s all it takes let\'s get Rachel Ray in the oval office.

It is amazing how many people think he was our greatest president.  I think you are right as well about likability.

I agree.  Just because your likable doesn\'t mean your suited for the Presidency.  If that\'s all it takes let\'s get Rachel Ray in the oval office.

people like her? i mean i\'d do her but i dont like her

i\'d do her but i dont like her

Agreed.

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I agree. Just because your likable doesn\'t mean your suited for the Presidency. If that\'s all it takes let\'s get Rachel Ray in the oval office.

It is amazing how many people think he was our greatest president. I think you are right as well about likability.

Why don\'t you two go get a room?...:rolleyes:........


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