Author Topic: Rage PS3 Megatextures wonder. (Read 6856 times)

BizioEE · « **on:** August 04, 2008, 01:59:13 PM »

Really interesting interview with Carmack, who is finally discovering PS3 as the best format for Rage.
He\'s learning how to code Cell/RSX(now ID have Better PS3 development tools) even if he admits it can be sometime a pain to squeeze all the power ...while XBox360 more friendly.
Than he started to talk about Mega Textures, that will cover all the environments, and the need of a HD for an intense streaming experience and the Bluray format for all the content in Rage! ID having problems on XBox due to the fact MS refused the HD requirements and the lack of Bluray.

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We have to find a compromise and we shoud use 3 standard DVD to come close to what we are achieving on PS3.

...and he adds, Rage is ok with one Bluray-DVD but other games would even require a dual-layer Bluray.

ID, in few words, will sacrifice some aspects in the XBox version, most of all textures and Carmack clearly admitted that PS3 is the best system for its very demanding game Rage.

this video

Viper_Fujax · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2008, 03:22:06 PM »

have a feeling this is one of those games that will seem like it\'s in development forever.

sounds like fallout meets doom 3 to me, but i definitly need to see actual gameplay before i get excited about it like other people are.

btw..are you clowd?

« **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2008, 03:59:32 PM »

Way to spin Bizio

This is just a ploy by Carmack to lower MS fees because the Rage needs more than two DVDs for all those megatextures. He still yaddas 360 is more powerful due to ease.

More importantly if he knew anything meaningful about Cell, Quake Territory Wars would not have been farmed out to become the ugliest game (by a long shot) on PS3. So bad it makes Haze look Great.

Paul2 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 04, 2008, 04:21:59 PM »

it looks like the video clips were either pre-rendered or current pc graphic quality wise because it looks very CG. I doubt 360 or ps3 can pull out that quality since these consoles are about 2 to 3 years old already. But of course, the video clips are in small resolution so it\'s hard to tell.

Evi · « **Reply #4 on:** August 04, 2008, 07:50:59 PM »

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I doubt 360 or ps3 can pull out that quality since these consoles are about 2 to 3 years old already.

And... the graphics always get better on consoles as the years go on when devs familiarize themselves with the hardware and figuring out ways to get the most juice out of the system(s).

« **Reply #5 on:** August 04, 2008, 08:52:42 PM »

Quote from: Viper_Fujax

have a feeling this is one of those games that will seem like it\'s in development forever.

sounds like fallout meets doom 3 to me, but i definitly need to see actual gameplay before i get excited about it like other people are.

btw..are you clowd?

The most incredible thing about this game is that at its currrent form, they managed to have the PC, PS3 and 360 run at 60fps with nearly identical look according to id and some journalists. Personally I find it hard to believe. It looks too good

« **Reply #6 on:** August 04, 2008, 10:16:11 PM »

you also gotta remember you have a lot of resources taken up while gaming on pc... while not on console, there is not windows ram hog and so forth

BizioEE · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2008, 02:12:11 AM »

Quote from: Heretic

Way to spin Bizio

This is just a ploy by Carmack to lower MS fees because the Rage needs more than two DVDs for all those megatextures. He still yaddas 360 is more powerful due to ease.

More importantly if he knew anything meaningful about Cell, Quake Territory Wars would not have been farmed out to become the ugliest game (by a long shot) on PS3. So bad it makes Haze look Great.

Well, he never said XBox is more powerful, just easier to develop for; He\'s used with PC like architecture and in the beginning he was just praising the MS creature for its developments tools, but now he\'s realizing that PS3 is a better hardware/format for their game Rage, even if it\'s more difficult to develop for...

BizioEE · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2008, 02:21:13 AM »

Quote from: Paul2

it looks like the video clips were either pre-rendered or current pc graphic quality wise because it looks very CG. I doubt 360 or ps3 can pull out that quality since these consoles are about 2 to 3 years old already. But of course, the video clips are in small resolution so it\'s hard to tell.

nahhh, it\'s after 2,3 years that you start to see the real beauty from next gen consoles as devs start to squeeze the hardware. Have you seen KillZone2 ? If ID are finally and really learning how to code Cell/RSX, plus the HD and Bluray-format, you may expect a brilliant result.
Not so sure about XBox360...really lacking the hardware that PS3 and the best PCs have, most of all the built-in HD and Bluray-format.

« **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2008, 02:52:12 AM »

Doesnt it depend on the game they want to make, which hardware is best suited?

I am not sure which console he considers the most powerful but if a game needs more memory flexibility then the 360 is better suited and will get better results I am sure.

« **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2008, 03:12:45 AM »

Pay carefull attention to the Rage trailer :

The actual 2nd half part with the racing buggies looks un impressive, compared to the first half mostly filled with indoor character scenes.

The buggies\' collision/debris physics & particle systems still look a step behind,
Motorstorm & Baja. Also ; the Rage sandy floor looked unaffected, solid as concrete.

BizioEE · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2009, 02:02:35 AM »

[size=+1]id Software shows new Rage screenshots / SIGGRAPH 2009.[/size]

Source

Impressive.

« **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2009, 08:30:38 AM »

Quote from: Evi

And... the graphics always get better on consoles as the years go on when devs familiarize themselves with the hardware and figuring out ways to get the most juice out of the system(s).

I think this argument is getting stale. When console makers had extremely custom GPUs made for their system this could hold some truth, but nowadays ALL console manufacturers turn to either ATi or nVidia to make a some semi-custom GPU which in the end is just a bit different than what they currently offer on PCs.

The hardware has been available on PCs for sometime now, plus OpenGL (albeit PS3 uses a slightly modified version) and Direct3D APIs are widely accessible, and the tools to optimize them on each brand of hardware are well available to anyone that wants to use them.

http://developer.nvidia.com/page/home.html
http://developer.amd.com/GPU/Pages/default.aspx

But what do I know? That asian guy on here that designs games can answer this better than me..

BizioEE · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2009, 05:19:47 AM »

Rage Video Game, QuakeCon Trailer HD | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com

BizioEE · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2010, 07:46:24 AM »

http://www.eurogamer.pt/gallery.php?game_id=8183&article_id=928817

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