US Healthcare

And how many of that 15% have amenities they don\'t need yet don\'t have health insurance?

You have no right to the things that belong to me.  The government should not be stealing from me to help the lower class.  I donate several thousand dollars of my money to causes like aids research, cancer research, and the homeless.  I don\'t need the government wasting my money.

More money comes from private donations than any form of government taxing, especially in areas of education and medical research.  Freedom works.

Here\'s another fact.  Government Programs and Insurance Companies made healthcare unaffordable, not me.

You don\'t have to throw anybody out in the street, but long term you have move toward the marketplace. You cannot expect socialized medicine of the Hillary brand to work. And you can\'t expect the managed care system that we have today [to work, because it] promotes and rewards the corporations. It\'s the drug companies & the HMOs & even the AMA that lobbies us for this managed care, and that\'s why the prices are high. It\'s only in medicine that technology has raised prices rather than lowering prices.

-Ron Paul

As for other countries that have socialized healthcare:

Nations with socialized medicine reduced the cost of their healthcare systems by restricting patients\' access that needed treatments and healthcare rationing.

There are other solutions:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn\'t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.

[Jumpman]

That\'s all great but have any opinions of your own you\'d like to share?

That\'s all great but have any opinions of your own you\'d like to share?

I think they\'ve been made clear already.

[Living-In-Clip]

I think they\'ve been made clear already.

More copy and paste, please.

[Jumpman]

The government has a right has the right to do so many stupid things but now you\'re going to complain about taking a few dollars out of your pocket to help the less fortunate with the right to live?

Nations with socialized medicine reduced the cost of their healthcare systems by restricting patients\' access that needed treatments and healthcare rationing.

wat no

Education is free. You are paying for children receiving information. THEY ARE TAKING FROM YOU ZOMGSTOPIT.

Still haven\'t answered my question about being pro life. Why would you want to chance it with the IMDR and and having no money to pay for its health?

I don\'t know which one of your boyfriends hooked you on to this nonsense but its very annoying to watch you dodge points and bring up useless campaign slogans from an old has been.

[clips]

15.4% represents a minority of people.  Would it be great if everyone had coverage, yes, but when 85% of your citizens have coverage in a free market, that\'s pretty damn good.

I am also against the war.  I believe it is a wasteful war that wastes tax dollars.  We have military presence in over 130 countries... that\'s obscene.  It is not a republican war though.  Barack Obama did vote for the war and he has the same foreign policy as President Bush, so don\'t kid yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAWmu4

I\'m glad you\'re against the war...going into iraq was a complete waste of time money and miltary resources. But you\'re wrong about Obama, he was against the war from the jump, and the same foreign policy as bush?...did you bump your head or something?....and it\'s not a republican war?...it was a republican president who started it....where are you getting your info from?

Watching that vid i thought he was going to show evidence of Obama showing support for the iraq war....he did not, so i don\'t know were you are getting that info from.

So why even get a job if I can have the same benefits?

Why even get a job? How about to pay for the car you drive, the rent you owe, the food you eat, the shoes you wear, the music you listen to on your cherry-colored iPod, the cell phone........ really, did you need to ask that silly question?
 
Someone asked what\'s affordable. Well, free sure is. Maybe $10 a visit, I dunno.
 
But if we all pay into it and no longer pay into our health insurance programs, it\'s a wash. Health insurance is such a scam, we need to get away from it and this is a way not only to do that, but to make for a better quality of life for all American citizens.
 
It\'s ok to have a social program for health care. It won\'t destroy the rest of our society. It will peacefully exist alongside it, I promise.
 
But it\'d be a lot of work to make that kind of change, so it\'ll never happen. If there\'s one thing our politicians are, it\'s lazy.

Oh and someone the other day wondered how we\'d manage if we had to wait in lines at the doctors. If there was an increased demand for doctors, that\'d mean more job opportunities for Americans as well.

[GmanJoe]

JFK: Ask NOT what the country can do for you, ask WHAT CAN I DO FOR MY COUNTRY.

Socialism: Gimme

Didn\'t vote for the war?  Doesn\'t want more troops in afghanistan clips?

Obama announced a plan — if elected — to deploy an additional 7,000 troops to Afghanistan. "As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan" "We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there" "I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq," Obama said on July 14, 2008.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080714/world/obama_afghanistan_2

Jumpman -  What would you like to know about my pro-life stance?  For the record, I don\'t think that should be mandated by law, it\'s just my opinion.

JFK: Ask NOT what the country can do for you, ask WHAT CAN I DO FOR MY COUNTRY.
 
Socialism: Gimme

You know what you could do for you country? Skip your health insurance payments and give a little cash to spreading health care to everyone.
 
I mean if some of you really think "I have money so I can go to the doctor and poor people can just go die," then that\'s your view point.
 
Me, I\'d like to think that America is so awesome, its citizens can get an xray and a cast if they break their leg. But I\'m a dreamer.

[Jumpman]

That quote holds no significance to this argument.

It can work for both sides of it.

[GmanJoe]

That quote holds no significance to this argument.

It can work for both sides of it.

I know. what a great line. Wonder who his speech writer was.

Why even get a job? How about to pay for the car you drive, the rent you owe, the food you eat, the shoes you wear, the music you listen to on your cherry-colored iPod, the cell phone........ really, did you need to ask that silly question?

I\'d be more concerned about healthcare than ipods, cellphones, and music.
 

Someone asked what\'s affordable. Well, free sure is. Maybe $10 a visit, I dunno.

It\'s not free. Well maybe for you.  Not for tax payers.  Not for those who already get a third of their paycheck reduced by taxes.
 

But if we all pay into it and no longer pay into our health insurance programs, it\'s a wash. Health insurance is such a scam, we need to get away from it and this is a way not only to do that, but to make for a better quality of life for all American citizens.

I agree.  The Health Insurance companies are the problem, not the wealthy.
 

It\'s ok to have a social program for health care. It won\'t destroy the rest of our society. It will peacefully exist alongside it, I promise.

That\'s why so many americans support it huh?  People see Universal Health Care as a giant step towards socialism.
 

But it\'d be a lot of work to make that kind of change, so it\'ll never happen. If there\'s one thing our politicians are, it\'s lazy.

They\'re not lazy, they\'re just worried about looking like communists.

Oh and someone the other day wondered how we\'d manage if we had to wait in lines at the doctors. If there was an increased demand for doctors, that\'d mean more job opportunities for Americans as well.

Because becoming a doctor is so easy.  There\'s already not enough doctors.  It\'s not exactly an easy profession to get into.  How can we create more doctors?  Lower standards?  That doesn\'t seem like a viable alternative.

It\'s a good idea in principle, but its rooted in socialism.  Free markets are good for society.  Monopolies are not.  Why do you insist on giving more power to the government?