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Offline Mr. Kennedy
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« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2008, 03:35:22 PM »
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« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2008, 03:54:32 PM »
What do don\'t see are an abundance of horror stories resulting in long wait lists. Compared to the endless stories of people in the US being refused coverage for minor details, insurance companies refusing to preform tasks for "breach of contract" issues, or people getting thrown out of hospitals for having no coverage.

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« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2008, 07:03:34 PM »
OR people who end up in the hospital with cancer or something major and then, are in debt for the rest of their life because their insurance didn\'t cover X this or X that. OR they simply didn\'t have insurance and now their whole lives are ruined.

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« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2008, 10:41:25 PM »
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I\'m gonna go with the demographics of Buffalo\'s hospitals vs Toronto\'s.

And Wiki\'s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#Wait_times
You didn\'t quote anything regarding Buffalo vs Toronto demographics.  By the way, Toronto is not a reasonable comparison.  It\'s too far from the border to be an short drive for Americans with immediate needs.  Try Windsor, if you can find any data.  Like I said, I doubt there is any objective statistical data on this.

Also, look lower on that Wikipedia page.

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Canadian health care in comparison The Canadian health care system is often compared to the US system. The US system spends the most in the world per capita, and was ranked 37th in the world by the World Health Organization in 2000, while Canada\'s health system was ranked 30th. The WHO ranking has been criticized by some for its choice of ranking criteria and statistical methods, and the WHO is currently revising its methodology and withholding new rankings until the issues are addressed.[49][50]
 Canada spent approximately 9.8% of GDP on health care in 2005, almost one percentage point higher than the average of 9.0% in OECD countries.[29] According to the Canadian Institute for Health Information, spending is expected to reach $160 billion, or 10.6% of GDP, in 2007.[51] This translates to $4,867 per person.
 Most health statistics in Canada are at or above the G8 average.[52] Direct comparisons of health statistics across nations is complex. The OECD collects comparative statistics, and has published brief country profiles.

Per the OECD, Canada is better than the US in these areas:

- Life Expectancy
- Infant Mortality
- Nurses per 1000 people
- Per capita expenditure on health
- Healthcare costs as percent of GDP
- Percent of Government revenue spent on health
- Percent of health costs paid by government.

USA has the edge in:

- Physicians per 1000 people (2.4 vs. 2.2)

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« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2008, 10:51:25 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: October 10, 2008, 02:43:44 AM »
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Maybe if more of those fat fucks were able to go to a doctor who said to them "Change what you\'re eating or you\'re GOING TO DIE," there would be fewer of them.



Just because you have a doctor doesn\'t mean you go to the doctor.

Universal health care is a joke and will never happen here.  Taxes would be crazy and we\'d have less good doctors.  You don\'t see a whole lot of huge medical advances coming out of Canada and other socialized medicine countries.
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« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2008, 02:45:29 AM »
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OR people who end up in the hospital with cancer or something major and then, are in debt for the rest of their life because their insurance didn\'t cover X this or X that. OR they simply didn\'t have insurance and now their whole lives are ruined.



Medical bills are good faith no interest loans.

Logan was in the hospital 6 years ago.  I have bank of america set up to send them 20 bucks a month.  I don\'t think I will be done for another few years.  Hasn\'t ruined my life at all.
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« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2008, 04:03:07 AM »
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You didn\'t quote anything regarding Buffalo vs Toronto demographics.  By the way, Toronto is not a reasonable comparison.  It\'s too far from the border to be an short drive for Americans with immediate needs.  Try Windsor, if you can find any data.  Like I said, I doubt there is any objective statistical data on this.

Also, look lower on that Wikipedia page.

 
Per the OECD, Canada is better than the US in these areas:

- Life Expectancy
- Infant Mortality
- Nurses per 1000 people
- Per capita expenditure on health
- Healthcare costs as percent of GDP
- Percent of Government revenue spent on health
- Percent of health costs paid by government.

USA has the edge in:

- Physicians per 1000 people (2.4 vs. 2.2)



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As I said, it will not work well IN America because: California\'s population > Canada. Now factor in the rest of the Union\'s population, where 50% are overweight and guess what? That Canadian style health care system would be bankrupt in no time if implemented here. That\'s my point. Americans aren\'t as healthy as Canadians PLUS we have a larger population PLUS lazy Americans will take advantage of miracle pills and take up doctors\' and nurses\' time coz their tummy aches from eating too much.

Oh and about the nurses: Canada has an open door policy for immigrants with nursing degrees. I should know: I have relatives that took nursing just to move to Canada quicker.

Forget about it. Let the fat fucks die (anecdote: fat kids today will save the US Social Security problem coz they won\'t live long enough to benefit ~ heard this on the AM Radio a few years ago).
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« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2008, 04:33:27 AM »
Hmmm...i\'ve commented on this issue only once (cause i\'m really unsure about this)....but just generally thinking about it, i don\'t think that universal system as it\'s being talked here would work, i mean people without insurance are already going to the hospital and hospitals cannot turn them around, but what is sad is that folks that actually do have Ins. that might need surgery sometimes have to pay for it out of pocket, when the Ins. they have won\'t cover it, and from what i understand those folks that just come off the street with no ID or insurance, their bill is either paid for by the hospital or passed on to the taxpayer... IDK, in all honesty i think everybody should have healthcare, but i think it would be heavily abused.

The times i\'ve been to the local E.R. the wait times are dismal as it is, and people come to the E.R. for thee most outrageous reasons,..."i have a headache or my stomach is upset",...or they have a small cut....i don\'t want to sound like a cold non-caring a**hole, as i genuinely feel everybody should have decent healthcare, but i just think too many folks would take advantage of it.....but maybe the overall good of universal healthcare would outweigh the bad....I also think that taxes would increase a bit by going universal.
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« Reply #84 on: October 10, 2008, 05:42:40 AM »
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Medical bills are good faith no interest loans.

Logan was in the hospital 6 years ago.  I have bank of america set up to send them 20 bucks a month.  I don\'t think I will be done for another few years.  Hasn\'t ruined my life at all.


You also have a good paying job. Good insurance. The list goes on and on. We\'re talking about people without those luxuries and how they deal with 30K worth of doctor bills.

BY the way, quit lying, there is no way Logan is six years old.
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« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2008, 06:04:03 AM »
What I\'m trying to say here is Americans don\'t want to be taxed and eat the cake too.

So WE DON\'T DESERVE UHC.

Coz we\'re lazy, stingie (how the F*#K do you spell stin jee?), and fat. Except me.
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« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2008, 08:28:00 AM »
It\'s stingy.  You could have also used niggardly.

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« Reply #87 on: October 10, 2008, 08:47:53 AM »
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It\'s stingy.  You could have also used niggardly.



I like stingy better...;)
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« Reply #88 on: October 10, 2008, 08:52:42 AM »
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It\'s stingy.  You could have also used niggardly.


So I can be fired....like the gay white guy who worked for the local DC gov\'t? Then when they realized it was not a racist remark, they were like "but he should have realized we was black and he was a honky!"
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« Reply #89 on: October 10, 2008, 08:53:21 AM »
Haha, you would.  When I looked up stingy to make sure I was right and wasn\'t gonna make an ass of myself niggardly was listed too.  lol


P.S.  What Gman??????

 

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