Final Presidential Debate...

I just wish it wasn\'t forced upon me.  

It just seems so... authoritarian.

Freedom works.

If we all choose who got help, some would never get any..... thats the other problem.

I worked part-time at a liquor store for the longest time with section-8 housing across the street.  Keep in mind this is a nice area of Columbus and they\'re put up in nice apartments.  What do almost all of them do with this saved money?  Spend it on booze.

These people come over EVERY DAY and spend it on pints of e&j, 40\'s of beast ice, and deuces of colt.  Not only that but a lot of them wreak of weed.   Don\'t tell me that\'s just a small percentage, half of them laugh about all the people from the neighborhood they see there.



People need accountability for themselves.

That\'s another type of poor, wasted poor. I can\'t stand when people have opportunity and still decide to fuck that up.

If we all choose who got help, some would never get any..... thats the other problem.

I know that this is more in regard to education than charity (relatively similar), but the principal is what I\'m after.

Private donations to colleges and universities climbed 6.3 percent in 2007, the fourth consecutive year of growth, according to the report, which describes results from the council’s annual “Voluntary Support of Education” survey.

Foundation giving is also playing an increasingly important role. Gifts from foundations increased 19.7 percent, reaching $8.5-billion, with more than a third of that money coming from family foundations.

Over all, though, private donations to the nation’s colleges and universities continued a decade-long rise. Between 1997 and 2007, the average annual increase in contributions has been 6.5 percent.

The point is, when you give people a chance, more than likely they will do the right thing.  If people started foundations to help the poor, I could almost garantee more success than what your getting through taxes.  If we didn\'t have an income tax, people would be happier, they\'d be more inclined to give, and private donations would skyrocket.

Big government feels they need assert themselves on the public and reach in to what they feel is theirs to begin with.

Freedom works.

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If you\'ve ever seen a school in a shitty neighborhood, you\'d see that the the funding is not even close to the big issue.  The issue is that the kids don\'t care.  They don\'t care because their parents don\'t care.  An over generalization?  Probably.  But it\'s basically what it boils down to.

If you want to learn, you can learn.  The idea that you can\'t learn because you\'re poor is ridiculous.  The idea that new text books are going to help the kids in these schools learn better is ridiculous.  It boils down to drive, priorities, and attitude.  The problem is, poor communities are often filled with families whose parents have little of the three, and so the kids grow up the same way.  You can\'t teach someone who doesn\'t want to learn, not matter how much money you throw at the problem.

I stated a somewhat similar statement in another thread concerning Obama\'s plan to help Chicago\'s educational system and this is the reply i\'ve received...

Good leaders get things done. If the people of Chicago didn\'t respond to Obama\'s plan, what makes you think America will?

Right, my point being, you can throw as much money at the education system if you want, but unless the students want to learn, its all for naught.

[Jumpman]

zomg lol, hayden panettiere on mccain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGiUq4RDCSE

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Right, my point being, you can throw as much money at the education system if you want, but unless the students want to learn, its all for naught.

I understand that, but instead of agreeing with me when i did state it was up to the parents and students, and accountability,..you chose to attack Obama\'s plan....Obama cannot make students want to elevate themselves...that comes from within.

I understand that, but instead of agreeing with me when i did state it was up to the parents and students, and accountability,..you chose to attack Obama\'s plan....Obama cannot make students want to elevate themselves...that comes from within.

Yes, but his plan is to throw money at the schools.  Which as we\'ve both just agreed, isn\'t the solution.

Who\'s the elitist now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqis9mRcWl4

Regarding Joe the Plumber...  This may have been a game changer for McCain.  This was a huge gaffe by Obama.  It is much bigger than people originally thought.  

Now the left has been investigating Joe like he is a political candidate to somehow discredit him.  For what?  It was Obama who walked into his neighborhood, not vice versa and it was Obama that made the gaffe from a pretty run of the mill question posed by Joe.  The guy is an ordinary citizen and now leftist blogs and media are smearing him?  Politics has hit a new low.

If the left doesn\'t think this is impacting the polls, look again, latest national polls have McCain trailing only by two points.

As a disclaimer, I am still not a big fan of polls, but since the left likes them, I\'d throw it out there.

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Who\'s the elitist now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqis9mRcWl4

I just love how they cut bits and pieces from that speech to make it seem like he\'s putting down that plumber..:rolleyes:.....McCains main concern was that he was going to be fined...turns out under Obama\'s plan he won\'t be fined....and this guy was interviewed yesterday sayin\' that he makes just under 200,000 a year....so he still stands to recieve a tax break.

Regarding Joe the Plumber... This may have been a game changer for McCain. This was a huge gaffe by Obama. It is much bigger than people originally thought.

Now the left has been investigating Joe like he is a political candidate to somehow discredit him. For what? It was Obama who walked into his neighborhood, not vice versa and it was Obama that made the gaffe from a pretty run of the mill question posed by Joe. The guy is an ordinary citizen and now leftist blogs and media are smearing him? Politics has hit a new low.

A huge gaffe?...Obama cleared up every question that joe the plumber might have had in the debate....if he\'s still undecided and wants to vote McCain then so be it.  Politics has already hit a new low when a certain presidential candidate tries to imply that his counterpart is unamerican and hangs out with terrorists.

I think it\'s out in the open. The tax thing for small businesses? And everyone on the cusp of that $250,000 cut off should rightfully decide whether they really want to check Obama in Nov.

That\'s honest politics and I\'m glad. Is that the gaffe we\'re talking about?

(Didn\'t see the debate)