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Offline Coredweller
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2008, 01:47:19 PM »
So now I have to listen to his inflection and trust your "senses?"
 
Do realize how crazy that sounds?  You are clearly reading stuff into the transcript that isn\'t there.  I think you should just post text on this forum instead of all those videos and audio recordings.  It\'s a waste of time.
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2008, 02:00:19 PM »
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So now I have to listen to his inflection and trust your "senses?"
 
Do realize how crazy that sounds?  You are clearly reading stuff into the transcript that isn\'t there.  I think you should just post text on this forum instead of all those videos and audio recordings.  It\'s a waste of time.

OMFG, most of the meaning of a message is tied to inflection and tone.  Or did you skip over that part in your communications class.

I just don\'t see how someone could look at that quote and not be offended... well that is unless you\'re sitting there licking your chops at another government handout.
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2008, 02:10:15 PM »
We are participating in an internet forum, not a live meeting.  If we agree to discuss text, then we are on level ground when we attempt to discern the meaning.
 
If instead we have to interpret inflections in an audio recording from a radio broadcast from 7 years ago, then we are opening the possibility of our interpretations being colored by our own bias.  
 
Does that make sense to you?
 
BTW, "I just don\'t see how someone could look at that quote and not be offended... "
 
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2008, 03:01:19 PM »
7 years isn\'t that long ago, his opinions haven\'t changed.

Yes, I even stated after the elipsis that not everyone will have a problem with that quote.

While I\'m not thrilled with my current situation, I\'m not UNhappy, I will be if the government reaches deeper into my pocket though.
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2008, 03:12:11 PM »
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7 years isn\'t that long ago, his opinions haven\'t changed.


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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2008, 03:13:51 PM »
For some perspective Cored...

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The Democrats are pushing now for a 60-seat majority in the Senate.  Now, what that would mean is that they would be filibuster-proof.  This has happened twice in the recent past, and the San Francisco Chronicle has a story on this, Democrats closing in on a Senate majority. "Although still a long shot, they have raised their goal to a magic and rare 60 members, a filibuster-proof majority of enormous significance."  The last time that this happened was during the Jimmy Carter presidency, and you know what happened during the Jimmy Carter presidency.  The left was left unchecked and it was able to implement what it believes, and you remember -- some of you may not because of your youth -- but the four years of Jimmy Carter made this economy look like utopia.  I kid you not.  We got 6.1% unemployment, people are working, they are still earning money.  The gasoline price now down 53 cents in two weeks, and right on cue, the Drive-Bys have a story about how this is not good for the economy.  This might actually hurt the economy.  There are so many stories from the Associated Press.  Jennifer Loven has a story in the Associated Press today that is a print Lewinsky for Obama.  

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The last time the Democrats ran the show in the Senate was in the Carter years and before that.  When do you think the last time prior to the Democrats having a 60-seat majority in the Carter years was, Mr. Snerdley?  That\'s exactly right, during the Lyndon Johnson presidency when the Democrats had 60 seats is when we got the Great Society, is when we get the War on Poverty, which was the war on the black family.  It is when we got all of these entitlement programs here that have just ripped this country to shreds, and there\'s nothing that can be done about them, per se.  And now this redistribution stuff, the redistribution of wealth, the Obama campaign\'s very worried about this.  They and their supporters and their campaign staff and the Drive-By Media are out there saying, "It\'s just a distraction.  Redistributing wealth, why, it\'s just a distraction." A distraction?  Yes, it\'s a distraction because you don\'t want it to become one, you don\'t want it to take away from your lying message that Obama\'s putting out to people.
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2008, 09:24:54 PM »
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When the gov\'t starts takin\' over farmland and snatchin\' up properties unlawfully then we need to worry.....until then...joe the plumber will recieve a tax cut under obama\'s plan and if you make $250,000 or more your taxes will increase...you\'re paranoid....the country has 9 million people out of work...2 million more than what is was last year, he\'s focusing on projects to give some relief to the folks that are hurting the most in this economy..the middle class.....Obama is not going to radicalize america.



If the 9 million people are out of work, they aren\'t paying any taxes at all. That\'s part of being out of work...

And taxing the business owners more will increase prices and reduce employees..  

Fucking brilliant...:thumb:
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2008, 03:26:50 AM »
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If the 9 million people are out of work, they aren\'t paying any taxes at all. That\'s part of being out of work...

And taxing the business owners more will increase prices and reduce employees..  

Fucking brilliant...:thumb:



You do realize that you have to pay taxes on those unemployment checks right? I seriously doubt that 9 million people are not receiving unemployment checks.
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2008, 04:53:14 AM »
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You do realize that you have to pay taxes on those unemployment checks right? I seriously doubt that 9 million people are not receiving unemployment checks.


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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2008, 04:53:23 AM »
And then they get the money back when they file.  If you make under so much you don\'t pay a darn thing.  

Unemployment checks coming from money supplied by the businesses being taxed that can\'t afford to hire them.  

I just hope we are all here in about 6 years when the "I told you so\'s" can be screamed...
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2008, 04:56:27 AM »
Man, unemployment is looking better and better everyday.  Eventually, I may aspire to be unemployed!

Alright, I admit it, Obama has inspired me!
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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2008, 09:28:46 AM »
You know, I was thinking about how people scam the system and take their child care money and go on personal shopping sprees and I think there are two solutions.

One is to have the card they issue only accepted for certain SKUs at certain stores, similar to how it works in NJ.

The other is to hire some govt\' auditors who will watch for spending sprees and deduct the "excess" money from future months\' checks.

Giving struggling single moms and all that a means to raise children should be possible, but it should NOT be desirable, and I think those kind of things would help keep the system working properly.
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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2008, 09:33:05 AM »
According to Kennedy they don\'t deserve any support or help because 1. they are necessary to fulfil the needs of the upper class 2. they\'ve earned the right to be miserable.

And that\'s so socialist.
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2008, 09:47:40 AM »
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You know, I was thinking about how people scam the system and take their child care money and go on personal shopping sprees and I think there are two solutions.

One is to have the card they issue only accepted for certain SKUs at certain stores, similar to how it works in NJ.

The other is to hire some govt\' auditors who will watch for spending sprees and deduct the "excess" money from future months\' checks.

Giving struggling single moms and all that a means to raise children should be possible, but it should NOT be desirable, and I think those kind of things would help keep the system working properly.


Don\'t say that.... what you\'re proposing is bigger gov\'t involvement and you\'ll be called a socialist, even if it is doing something for the better good of the country, something that i agree with you here.
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2008, 11:46:49 AM »
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According to Kennedy they don\'t deserve any support or help because 1. they are necessary to fulfil the needs of the upper class 2. they\'ve earned the right to be miserable.

And that\'s so socialist.


Congratulations, Obama wanted to create class warfare and he\'s done it.  He\'s instilled resentment towards the wealthy.

1. You believe in wealth redistribution, that\'s socialism.

2. If your miserable, get a better job.  If you don\'t have the skills, go to school.

I am a hardworking individual who is entitled to his earnings.  Everyone is entitled to the earnings their job provides, and if you don\'t like it change jobs.  Don\'t give me garbage about it being too hard or unreasonable.  I made a lot of sacrifices to get where I\'m at, but you think I should be paying for tax credits for people who didn\'t earn it.

We as Americans can\'t fix every problem.  There will always be people at the bottom.

LIFE ISN\'T FAIR, DEAL WITH IT.

It sounds unsympathetic, but socialism has been tried before, and it failed.
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