Joe the plumber..

[Titan]

Ummmmm....  he did...

True. I forgot he ran in the primaries.

I watched an interview on Letterman with McCain. He said he based Joe the Plumber off a real guy he met. This may be that guy or just a person who personifies Joe the Plumber.

As a man who shaves my head on a daily basis I have to say if Joe gets frustrated with all the media attention then all he really has to do is grow his hair and a bear and boom....your not recognizable. I know it, it works, i\'ve done it.

Also he is fair game seeing as he is appearing at rallies and is actually getting involved in the campaign on a public level. This guy likes the attention, its obvious every time he speaks.

How bout Canadians worry about their own government?  I don\'t throw my two cents in when the canadian elections are going on over things that aren\'t even going to effect me.

[Jumpman]

This election effects people outside of America.

This election effects people outside of America.

And he better believe that the world has been paying attention and are just waiting for Nov. 4th.

How does it matter whether McCain or Obama wins?  They both essentially have the same foreign policies, at least in the short term.

[Viper_Fujax]

arent their foreign policies one of the main things they disagree on?

mccain wants a surge in iraq, obama wants out. obama wants to talk with countries like iran, mccain thinks thats a bad idea.

personally, i think obama is too liberal and mccain is too much like bush in terms of foreign policy. but its a lot easier to be liberal and realize talking to crazy fucks like Ahmadinejad (i had to google how the hell to spell that) wont work than to throw troops in because we can and get into situations like iraq

[Jumpman]

Over a billion trade daily between the US/Canada border. And Toronto is in the NBA.

Specific examples, but the US economy also effects other economies.

arent their foreign policies one of the main things they disagree on?

mccain wants a surge in iraq, obama wants out. obama wants to talk with countries like iran, mccain thinks thats a bad idea.

personally, i think obama is too liberal and mccain is too much like bush in terms of foreign policy. but its a lot easier to be liberal and realize talking to crazy fucks like Ahmadinejad (i had to google how the hell to spell that) wont work than to throw troops in because we can and get into situations like iraq

You do realize Obama wants more troops in Afganistan?

[Viper_Fujax]

yes, and not in iraq

The surge is over and it worked.  We need to slowly withdraw and let the Iraqi\'s replace our troops when we feel they can handle it.  That is what McCain is for.  The zero wants us to withdraw now, without making sure the job is finished and Iraq can defend itself from foreign influences like Iran and Syria.

While I am personally against the war, the surge did work.

Obama\'s foreign policy is different, but not that different from McCain\'s.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/30/1616435.aspx

DEFIANCE, Ohio -- "Where is Joe? Is Joe here with us today?"

That\'s the question John McCain asked roughly 6,000 people at Defiance Junior High School here this morning, But the correct answer was no -- Joe the Plumber was nowhere to be found.
 
There are conflicting reports about where or when or if Joe will appear with McCain at some point during his two-day bus tour of Ohio, but the candidate clearly thought that he was meeting him here in Defiance, the first stop on the tour.
 
While riffing on a common line from his stump speech about Obama\'s desire to "spread the wealth," McCain confidently proclaimed, "Joe\'s with us today. Joe where are ya? Where is Joe? Is Joe here with us today? Joe, I thought you were here today."
 
Then the senator covered up for Joe\'s absence by saying, "All right, well you\'re all Joe the Plumber. So all of ya stand up ,and say I thank you."

Joe the Plumber has been a major part McCain\'s lame recycled speeches for weeks now.  McCain now claims that we are all JTP.  When someone makes a claim like that, it becomes somewhat important to figure out who JTP is, and WHICH JTP McCain is talking about.
 
If McCain is referring to the fictitious, hypothetical JTP who is about to buy his employer\'s business and earn well over $250K per year, and might pay slightly more taxes under Obama\'s proposal, then I DISAGREE with McCain.  We are NOT all JTP, and the vast majority of us never will be.
 
If on the other hand, McCain is referring to the real Joe Wurzelbacher, who is not a licensed plumber, and who earns less than $40K per year, and cannot afford to purchase his employer\'s business, and wouldn\'t be earning over $250K per year even if he did, then I agree, there are a lot of us in a similar situation in this country.  These people will be better able to acheive their goals with the middle class tax relief that Obama is proposing.
 
That is why it\'s important to do a little research on JOE when republicans use him as a model for the benefits of the McCain tax plan.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/30/1616435.aspx

 
Joe the Plumber has been a major part McCain\'s lame recycled speeches for weeks now.  McCain now claims that we are all JTP.  When someone makes a claim like that, it becomes somewhat important to figure out who JTP is, and WHICH JTP McCain is talking about.
 
If McCain is referring to the fictitious, hypothetical JTP who is about to buy his employer\'s business and earn well over $250K per year, and might pay slightly more taxes under Obama\'s proposal, then I DISAGREE with McCain.  We are NOT all JTP, and the vast majority of us never will be.
 
If on the other hand, McCain is referring to the real Joe Wurzelbacher, who is not a licensed plumber, and who earns less than $40K per year, and cannot afford to purchase his employer\'s business, and wouldn\'t be earning over $250K per year even if he did, then I agree, there are a lot of us in a similar situation in this country.  These people will be better able to acheive their goals with the middle class tax relief that Obama is proposing.
 
That is why it\'s important to do a little research on JOE when republicans use him as a model for the benefits of the McCain tax plan.

Good post, but you should know you have to provide a link/s.

On a side note, what else would you expect from a candidate that picks a photogenic running mate out of left field?

Do you mean I should have provided a link for the info on Wurzelbacher\'s financial situation?  I thought that was well established over the last week or two.  Here ya go:  
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27221645/

Wurzelbacher also acknowledged that he had no specific plans for buying Newell’s business, saying he and Newell had simply talked about the idea from time to time. He might have difficulty making the purchase: Court records from his divorce show that Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006.
 
Even if he did buy Newell Plumbing and Heating, Obama’s tax plan wouldn’t affect him. While Wurzelbacher told Obama that he would be taxed at a higher rate because the company grossed more than $250,000 a year, Ohio business records show the company’s estimated total annual revenue as only $100,000. Actual taxable income would be even less than that.
 
In any event, Obama’s tax plan specifies that the higher rate would apply only to income above the $250,000 threshold. Assuming Wurzelbacher’s income as owner somehow hit $280,000 — the top end of his supposition of the company’s revenue — only the extra $30,000 would be taxed at a higher rate.