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Who said anything about cap & trade? I was talking about how these new technologies can make us a leader of innovation in the world...if you think otherwise or somehow think it\'s related to cap & trade you\'re wrong (or maybe i\'m missing something)...how can Obama wanting the u.s. to be innovators of new technology be detrimental to the u.s.?.....*newsflash* it won\'t. McCain also echoed Obama\'s new technology bolstering during his campaign as well.


I did, in my previous post.  Cap and trade has a lot to do with our energy policies and is directly tied to the topic of "green energy".  See my previous post.  



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Ok now yer talkin\' outta yer ass a bit....everybody had a hand in creating this mess, and the whole thing headlining this scenario was greed. I think Obama articulates himself very well without the teleprompter. One thing i did like about bush was that he spoke from the gut and spoke his mind...but nobody outside of the u.s. liked his cowboy policies...Obama speaks his mind as well, but he does it in a more respectful manner...both of these guys are like night and day.


So you admit that Obama had a hand in creating the debt that he said "wasn\'t me".  He lied.  End of story.  Obama is non stop uh uh uh machine without his teleprompter and his comparison of German POW\'s in England during WWII and 9/11 terrorist detainees was laughable.  The Europeans may not have liked Bush\'s aggressive stance, but they respected it.  More than I can say they feel about Obama\'s 2009 Apology Tour.




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He acted professionally while he was down there. Did you really expect him to toss the book or throw a childish rant when chavez gave him the book? He\'s above all of that rhetoric and he should be. Even when those leaders were kickin\' dirt on the u.s. he was there to listen....but he did say that even tho that these countries still hold some animosity towards the states, they need to understand how much support & help that we give to others in the immediate area and around the world, and in not so many words he generally stated that they need to let go of decades old anger...any way you look at it, the ball is still in our court.



He should of refused the gift and during Ortega\'s rant he should have either walked out or gotten up and refuted it.  If he was so eloquent and such a great speaker (without his teleprompter of course) he could have put the smack down on Ortega.  He did not.
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So you admit that Obama had a hand in creating the debt that he said "wasn\'t me". He lied. End of story. Obama is non stop uh uh uh machine without his teleprompter and his comparison of German POW\'s in England during WWII and 9/11 terrorist detainees was laughable. The Europeans may not have liked Bush\'s aggressive stance, but they respected it. More than I can say they feel about Obama\'s 2009 Apology Tour.



I\'m going to tread lightly here a bit....only because i\'m kinda back and forth on the issue of enemy detainees...i didn\'t see the comparison you speak of, but without even thinking about it, i say we should torture those if it\'s going to force them to release critical information. It\'s a slippery slope tho....if the u.s. are saying we don\'t torture, then we should not be doing it, if we\'re holding ourselves to a higher standard, then we should indeed practice it.

I remember very early in the iraq war when 4 or 5 american soldiers were captured...almost immediately, president bush sent word out to those that captured them, that they better be treated with dignity and respect and that there will be a heavy price to pay if they are harmed otherwise.....eventually the soldiers were released and they stated that while they were a bit freightened, they were fed regulary and generally treated well.

If we\'re tellin\' those guys to treat our soldiers with respect, then in all honesty, we should be practicing what we preach as well. Another thing too can be that maybe only conventional armies honor the no torture declaration...terrorists on the other hand probably don\'t honor anything, so maybe they\'re the exception...i think it still kinda puts our troops in harm way if they\'re captured tho.
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He should of refused the gift and during Ortega\'s rant he should have either walked out or gotten up and refuted it. If he was so eloquent and such a great speaker (without his teleprompter of course) he could have put the smack down on Ortega. He did not.

I\'m glad we elected Obama and not you, for example. That\'s a terrible idea.

Your example of Obama\'s behavior is a perfect example of his trying to improve our relations with other countries. Your idea for a childish slap fight? Not so much.
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I remember very early in the iraq war when 4 or 5 american soldiers were captured...almost immediately, president bush sent word out to those that captured them, that they better be treated with dignity and respect and that there will be a heavy price to pay if they are harmed otherwise.....eventually the soldiers were released and they stated that while they were a bit freightened, they were fed regulary and generally treated well.

If we\'re tellin\' those guys to treat our soldiers with respect, then in all honesty, we should be practicing what we preach as well. Another thing too can be that maybe only conventional armies honor the no torture declaration...terrorists on the other hand probably don\'t honor anything, so maybe they\'re the exception...i think it still kinda puts our troops in harm way if they\'re captured tho.


Your first paragraph - stated that the Iraqi army had captured US soldiers.  Precisely the point - The Iraqi ARMY.  Uniformed soliders fighting in a war should be treated according to the Geneva Conventions.  

As you stated in your second paragraph - terrorists are not entitled to the Geneva Conventions and should be waterboarded as many times as it takes to get the information.  When terrorists capture our soldiers, what happens?  They are beheaded, dragged through the streets, etc.  I have no problem with subjecting these terrorists to a bit of hazing.  Anyone who has ever pledged a fraternity has probably had worse done.
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I\'m glad we elected Obama and not you, for example. That\'s a terrible idea.

Your example of Obama\'s behavior is a perfect example of his trying to improve our relations with other countries. Your idea for a childish slap fight? Not so much.


So standing up and disputing the lies being spewed by someone at a summit about the country you lead is a childish slap fight?  What about getting up and walking out?  Is that childish too?  You are a fucking idiot.  I didn\'t think it was possible, but on foreign affairs Obama is actually making Jimmy Carter look good.

Why would we want to improve relations with those who will hate us no matter what we do?  Appeasing Banana Republic dictators is not going to get us anywhere.
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So standing up and disputing the lies being spewed by someone at a summit about the country you lead is a childish slap fight?  What about getting up and walking out?  Is that childish too?  You are a fucking idiot.  I didn\'t think it was possible, but on foreign affairs Obama is actually making Jimmy Carter look good.

Why would we want to improve relations with those who will hate us no matter what we do?  Appeasing Banana Republic dictators is not going to get us anywhere.

If he get up and walk away, they might think that\'s rude and might piss them off more.  He\'s a humble president that wanted to listen to other point of views.  How do you know they will hate us no matter what?  Did you see how happy Hugo Chavez was when he handed Obama the book?  I see that a small sign of a positive and good relationship.  I wouldn\'t be surprised some of the dislikes Chavez has about America might be lessen and he might have a slightly better perspective of America.

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Moral of the story here, treat ruthless dictators like you would your mother.  Great lesson for the American public.  :rolleyes:
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Hugo Chavez

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Hugo Chavez

[ ] ruthless dictator
  • democratically elected


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Hugo Chavez

[ ] promotes liberty, opportunity, and justice
  • promotes socialism and no justice system
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"If you\'re not rich, the police here don\'t care about taking your case," said a humiliated Ricardo, 41, who described his attacker as a neighborhood thug. "That\'s why so many people here take justice into their own hands. You need to do something to protect your family. I have to do something, because I see the man who did this every day."


SOURCE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050901803.html

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[ ] wants the same thing to happen in America

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Hugo Chavez

[ ] friendly democratic leader
  • modern day tyrant and anti-American hate spewer
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Then came Hugo Chávez, elected president of Venezuela in December 1998. The lieutenant colonel had attempted a coup six years earlier. When that failed, he won power at the ballot box and is now approaching a decade in office. In that time, he has concentrated power, harassed opponents, punished reporters, persecuted civic organizations, and increased state control of the economy. Yet, he has also found a way to make authoritarianism fashionable again, if not with the masses, with at least enough voters to win elections. And with his fiery anti-American, anti-neoliberal rhetoric, Chávez has become the poster boy for many leftists worldwide.


SOURCE: http://www.mywire.com/pubs/ForeignPolicy/2006/01/01/1111144/print

Hugo Chavez has in fact placed any idea of democracy in Jeopardy.

SOURCE: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/57714.pdf

So I find it hard to believe any American would trust this guy or want any kind of association with him
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Does this sound like a democratic leader?

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Internally, Chavez has already rewritten the constitution, stacked the courts and begun throwing political opponents into jail. And some say he is now looking beyond Venezuela\'s borders. With billions of dollars in oil profits, Chavez is buying advanced Russian fighter planes and helicopters, dramatically increasing the size of his armed forces and integrating it with Cuba\'s.

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"This is a country where anyone who dares to think and speak differently from the government,” said Machado, “is seen as an enemy."

Hey that second one kind of sounds like this forum.

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Why would we want to improve relations with those who will hate us no matter what we do?

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You\'re asking me why we should improve relations with countries you claim we cannot improve our relations with. That\'s ridiculous.
 
We should improve relations with countries for a few reasons. The first couple of which would probably be security and profit.
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You\'re asking me why we should improve relations with countries you claim we cannot improve our relations with. That\'s ridiculous.
 
We should improve relations with countries for a few reasons. The first couple of which would probably be security and profit.


You do realize Hugo Chavez has publicly stated he hates America and has been steadily building a large army which now roughly 1.5 Million strong.

This coddling makes America look weak and makes me wonder what Chavez plans to do with that large army.  Your not fearful at all about this?
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You do realize Hugo Chavez has publicly stated he hates America and has been steadily building a large army which now roughly 1.5 Million strong.

This coddling makes America look weak and makes me wonder what Chavez plans to do with that large army.  Your not fearful at all about this?


No it doesn\'t Bush...o wait

Fear mongering is all the same to me.
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Your like the Belgians - when you see a threat, you cave!

If people like you were in charge the Venezualen army would be marching across our borders as we speak.
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You do realize Hugo Chavez has publicly stated he hates America and has been steadily building a large army which now roughly 1.5 Million strong.

All the more reason to be civil with him. Why would you piss off this guy for no reason? Obama gave him a chance to get stuff off his chest to what at least appeared to be an open audience. How any one could try to twist that to seem like a bad thing for the U.S. is beyond me.

How about this: Keep your enemies closer?
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