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Offline Eiksirf
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« on: May 20, 2009, 10:00:34 AM »
This movie showed up in the red Netflix envelope the other day. I\'m halfway through it... It\'s the first time the U.S.\'s Abu Ghraib torturing was depicted as something more than frat party hazing for me. Sick stuff.
 
It\'s crazy that Obama has to say things like "The U.S. will not torture." We were supposed to be above all this...
 
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 10:04:31 AM »
I\'m gonna check this out. That dude makes awesome documentaries.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 08:25:10 PM »
Torture ftl.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 05:17:31 AM »
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This movie showed up in the red Netflix movie the other day. I\'m halfway through it... It\'s the first time the U.S.\'s Abu Ghraib torturing was depicted as something more than frat party hazing for me. Sick stuff.
 
It\'s crazy that Obama has to say things like "The U.S. will not torture." We were supposed to be above all this...

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Gee go figure, the guy writes a blog on the Huffington Post...  :rolleyes:  Couldn\'t be biased could it?  Nah...
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 05:17:33 AM »
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This movie showed up in the red Netflix movie the other day. I\'m halfway through it... It\'s the first time the U.S.\'s Abu Ghraib torturing was depicted as something more than frat party hazing for me. Sick stuff.
 
It\'s crazy that Obama has to say things like "The U.S. will not torture." We were supposed to be above all this...

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Gee go figure, the guy writes a blog on the Huffington Post...  :rolleyes:  Couldn\'t be biased could it?  Nah...
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 05:55:59 AM »
God, heeeeeeere we go.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 10:13:33 AM »
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Couldn\'t be biased could it?

If you mean biased against torture, probably...
 
Before this vid, I\'d only ever really heard the extreme, right-wing "Hey, it\'s like fraternity hazing, wooooo!!! Keg stand!!!" so this balances out the coverage for me, thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 10:31:41 AM »
Well lets see what is deemed as torture...

From wikipedia this is what was done to him...

The various accounts of torture have been detailed as follows:

A black hood pulled over his head limiting his ability to breathe
Knee strikes to the abdomen
Over 100 peroneal (a nerve behind the kneecap) strikes
Shoved against a wall
Pulled by his beard
His bare feet stepped on
Kicks to the groin
Chained to the ceiling for extended hours, depriving him of sleep
Slammed his chest into a table front

With the exception of the peroneal strikes, I hardly classify that as torture.  The guy died of coronary artery disease complicated by the beating his legs took.

A black hood on the head is torture?  Shoved against a wall is torture?  Having his beard tugged is torture?  His poor little foot got stepped on so that is torture too?  Slammed a his chest into a table?  So he got nut checked a few times, give me a break.

You are probably the same type of person that wants to get rid of dodge ball in school.

"Extreme right-wing" :rolleyes:

Dude, you need to get a grip on reality.  Funny how Obama has kept almost all of Bush\'s policies in place regarding detaining these people.  Guess Bush was right after all.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 11:03:29 AM »
waterboarding is a minor one...cant believe your arguement is to downplay torture. you have to imagine they do more than stuff from a list on wikipedia

I\'m actually really torn on this issue. Torture is horrible, especially when you run the risk of torturing someone innocent (im sure they pick the ones theyre for sure are connected with al qaeda er whoever but there\'s still a chance). But at the same time, if it is the person you need information from that is part of the terrorist extremist cause 1) i dont regret anything about them going through the process and 2) you can get information that could save lives.

So yea..i dont know what side of the fence im on...
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 11:43:35 AM »
Look at the day and age we live in where everyone is so hypersenstive to anything.  For example if you look at a woman the wrong way you might be charged with sexual harassment.

The same rational applies to everything we do.  I am not saying the guy didn\'t get tortured at all, but ask someone who really has been tortured if they think this is all that bad.  Now, having your fingernails pulled out with rusty pliers and crap like that - yes, that is torture.  Being kept awake and having a bag placed on your head - not even in the same league.  Being uncomfortable and manhandled in my opinion doesn\'t count.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 12:23:33 PM »
im not going to join in the debate about torture but i do feel that some times you have to do bad things to keep an even badder thing from happening.
that being said some of these guy were true pows and a pow should be treated with some sort of respect.
also there maybe have been real information that was extracted from what went on there but the way its portrayed (and the pictures dont lie) is that a bunch of bored, scared, and not so smart soldiers decided to keep themselves entertained by fucking with some ragheads
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 12:36:36 PM »
I love how giga talks shit about the OP\'s source, then proceeds to quote wiki about government practices...lol
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 07:24:16 PM »
Let\'s be honest, the huff post is as biased as news sources come, so I take anything read there with a grain of salt.  That would be like me posting an article from the drudge report.

That being said, on the topic of torture... it may be inhumane, but how many American lives have been saved because of it?  I am of the belief that you have to put American lives above all else, even if it leaves you feeling morally gray.  Let\'s not be ignorant and believe other countries are not torturing American soldiers.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2009, 12:09:36 AM »
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waterboarding is a minor one...cant believe your arguement is to downplay torture. you have to imagine they do more than stuff from a list on wikipedia

I\'m actually really torn on this issue. Torture is horrible, especially when you run the risk of torturing someone innocent (im sure they pick the ones theyre for sure are connected with al qaeda er whoever but there\'s still a chance). But at the same time, if it is the person you need information from that is part of the terrorist extremist cause 1) i dont regret anything about them going through the process and 2) you can get information that could save lives.

So yea..i dont know what side of the fence im on...



This is how i feel....both Obama & Cheney had a sort of head to head yesterday and i can honestly say that i see what BOTH sides are saying....Obama wants to do things by the book and not torture anybody and feel that conventional methods will work, while cheney feels that torture should be used on terrorists, especially the high ranking ones at any moment.

Now if i had to truly be honest here....i\'d say Obama is kinda on the losing stick on this one. After 9/11 i\'m sure nobody would\'ve opposed the use of torture to those that caused that horriofic event on that day. I still don\'t think it\'s wrong to torture these idiots that wouldn\'t think twice about attacking or killing an american on the spot....terrorists do not play by the rules, so i say it\'s open season on them...f**k\'em.

As i\'ve stated before, i think Obama was ill-advised on releasing the classified reports on torture...why even show that at all? If he didn\'t agree with the process, he could\'ve just left that in the past and continued forward with his  own policies without tryin\' to gain political points by releasing the report.

He also has a problem with guatatamo bay prison(spell)....he wants to close the prison, but nobody wants to take the prisoners, he then goes on to say in his speech that the prisoners can stay here. Idk....he states the prison is causing more terrorists to gather and re-group and is making us less safe by keeping it open, but i disagree..the terrorists were mad at america looong before the prison ever existed.

And Pelosi?...uggh....it\'s not a good look to be saying that the CIA lied to you regarding the briefing they gave you on the torture methods being used. Why would they have to lie about that? What could they possibly gain?..she looks like a f**kin\' idiot, just admit that you knew about it and keep it movin\'...oh she can\'t because she was one of the folks talkin\' about criminal charges for those that commited or knew of the  torture methods being applied to those prisoners..pathetic.

I\'m an Obama supporter, but he kinda slipped on this one...granted the prison situation wasn\'t created by him, but bringing those terrorists possibly to the u.s. is a wrong move,..most likely they would end up serving life sentences and the american tax payer would end up footin\' the bill....and if that is indeed the case, he should just let those that are GULITY rot in that prison forever.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2009, 10:07:25 AM »
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A black hood pulled over his head limiting his ability to breathe
Knee strikes to the abdomen
Over 100 peroneal (a nerve behind the kneecap) strikes
Shoved against a wall
Pulled by his beard
His bare feet stepped on
Kicks to the groin
Chained to the ceiling for extended hours, depriving him of sleep
Slammed his chest into a table front

So while he was chained to the ceiling and beaten do death, but before his eventual murder, what did he confess to? What was his crime? How was his trial?
 
One of America\'s values is to treat POWs humanely and afford them rights to fair trial. Now that we\'re in a situation where we have to stick to those values, some people want to throw them out the window. America doesn\'t torture. We give people fair trials. We are not supposed to be out there terrorizing potentially innocent Arabs just because some Afghani headhunter handed him over for a cash reward. We\'re the assholes in this situation.
 
Also, I\'m sure that while you\'re not being allowed to sleep for 76 hours and a trained soldier is beating you into a wall, a table and kicking you in the balls, that soldier probably isn\'t using kid gloves. But hey, those are "enhanced techniques," so there ya go.
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