Prop 8 Upheld. California gays can\'t marry.

Kind of hard to be a bigot about something someone willfully chooses to be.  If you argue they are born that way then they are defective.

Seriously?  I mean, do you listen to yourself?

You\'re so gonna end up that old racist that your grand children are embarrassed to be around, and people say you\'re just too old to know any better.  It\'s like you\'re arguing you\'re not a bigot in one breath, then saying something hateful about a group of people in the next.  Just unbelievable how selectively you see things.

And for what it\'s worth, PROP 8 CHANGED THINGS AWAY FROM THE MORE LIBERAL WAY.  They had marriage rights, then changed it to take them away.  How is this an example of the left insisting everything be their way?  It\'s the exact opposite.  Look, the idea that gay people are able to marry doesn\'t actually affect you AT ALL.  It\'s just you forcing your ideals and your morality on everyone.  That\'s all it is.  If your church wants to choose not to recognize it, fine.  That doesn\'t mean no others should be able to.

And seriously, what\'s the problem with a church that does believe gays should be able to marry performing a marriage?  I\'m not saying every church should be forced to marry gays.  But if one wants to, I don\'t see any reason they shouldn\'t be able to.

[Viper_Fujax]

I just have a hard time understanding why this is such a big deal.  I don\'t hate/fear/dislike homosexuals, I nothing them...  This is the problem with people in society, you give them an inch and they take a mile.  As long as we\'re all treated equally who cares what its called?

God could you harp on a more insignificant subject?  That may sound cold, but honestly, I have had it up to here with all the whining coming from the left.  You won your election and have complete control of America and your still not happy.

If you don\'t like how things are in this country, GTFO.

/rant

i really dont think anyone is harping you. you have your arguement and most people disagree, and thats that.

I think giga calling people faggots is what prolonged this thread. It wouldve ended with you saying there will be an arms race in marriage with people trying to one-up society by marrying a snapping turtle and people disagreeing...but gigas back

I actually appreciate his company.  He brings something different to the table.

I actually appreciate his company.  He brings something different to the table.

If by different you mean racism and general bigotry, then yes, yes he does bring something different to the table.

[GmanJoe]

Good God! Three pages already?

i think homos getting married is way more moral than the rampant promiscuity they are known(stereotyped?) for.
part of the back lash is that they are another group of people who gets to celebrate who they are we cant and it can cause some bitterness. there are no "straight white male pride" parades. sometimes i feel like i\'m supposed to be ashamed for being straight white and male

Good God! Three pages already?

It\'s amazing the things people will whine about.

i think homos getting married is way more moral than the rampant promiscuity they are known(stereotyped?) for.
part of the back lash is that they are another group of people who gets to celebrate who they are we cant and it can cause some bitterness. there are no "straight white male pride" parades. sometimes i feel like i\'m supposed to be ashamed for being straight white and male

That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.

White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....


I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.


It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.

It\'s amazing the things people will whine about.

Like you and the term "marriage"

Don\'t be a hypocrite in the same thread homey.

[clips]

They do this all the time Kennedy.  They want everything their way or else.  BTW have you read about the Chrysler dealers that are being closed are almost all from GOP districts?  Obama\'s Task Force is apparantly dishing out some revenge...

From what i understand chrysler stated that they were shutting down dealers that were operating the weakest in terms of sales.....you honestly can\'t believe Obama is actually going around closing chrylser dealerships in GOP area\'s do you??...:rofl:

That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.

White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....


I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.


It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.

:applause:

That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.

White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....


I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.


It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.

what you said right there proves my point. you automatically assume because im a white i had an easy life. you can go fuck yourself with your ham/wine analogy. tell me one positive thing thats happened to me soley because i\'m white. cause you know what being white got us? not a goddamn thing. fuck i dont think i\'ve been more pissed off by ignorance on this board than i am right now. my grandparents spent there lives poor as shit, both my parents spent their childhoods poor as shit. go fuck yourself you ignorant piece of shit

That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.

White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....


I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.


It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.

Is this post serious?

[clips]

While what luckee stated might be seen as offensive, he actually speaks the truth. White folks have honestly had it better than any other ethnic group in america for the last gazillion years...back in the day even the poorest of white folks were treated better than blacks...seriously, black folks were considered less than animals back then.

Today tho, middleclass blacks and whites are moreso on the same level as far as sharing the same type of shared struggles. I always hear people say blacks and minorities have grants that white folks can\'t get. I must\'ve missed the bus on that one,...i\'ve told my story plenty of times of how i grew up in the projects of newark,nj..after high school, i went to a technical IT school, then saved up and moved out to slightly upper middleclass piscataway,nj and then finally purchasing a brand new home in georgia....all by myself WITHOUT gov\'t assisted programs.....not saying that they don\'t exist, but i don\'t think it makes an impact on white folks to the point to where white folks can\'t get a job or assistance for higher education.

Now also in luckee\'s defense, he also states "many" and "some"....he did not say "all white males". After saying all of this, i do feel we have made some great strides as far as race relations are concerned...is there still racial inequality in america?....sure is, but there\'s no denying that race relations have improved for the better in this country,.... just look at the last election....Obama could not have won the election if not for white folks looking past the color barrier and judging him on his merits and on what he wanted to do for the country.

The shock has fallen off some for me, but sometimes when i sit back and think about it...it\'s still hard to believe i would live to see america elect it\'s first black prez...whether or not obama turns out to be a great prez, i think his winning the presidency is a symbol of just how far america has come....and that is something every american....black or white, latino or asian, democrat or republican should be proud of.

[Viper_Fujax]

get some (related) humor up in this bitch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

(embedding doesnt work in this forum for some reason)

[GmanJoe]

If the US was a race course, blacks are getting a head start.

However, their racing team (community, relatives etc) in the pitt are shooting at each other. While the white racer\'s seem to get along and get their driver to the finish line sooner.

Asians? We tend to do quite well. Just less noticeable. We aren\'t called the "invisible" race for nuthin. Check the national poll: Whites, Blacks, Hispanics.