Xbox at Xlaunch

Indrema is a system that is Linux based that is reportedly coming out in March 2001. No developers or games have been mentioned, has less of a chance of surviving then the X-Box.

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Ryu, your right and I\'ve said that in previous posts. Sony was up against the Saturn, with development problems, and Nintendo\'s bad choice of format and delays. Not to mention Sega rushed the Saturn out, almost like an after thought, with their suprise launch. So, Sony had it easy. They don\'t have it easy this time, and are facing stiff competion. But, can the Xbox re-do what Sony did? That is, become a company known for games, without any previous console. I think MS can.  I plan on buying all the consoles, including the Indreama. Actually, I\'m more excited about the Indreama then any other console.

But are people making too big of a deal out of EA developing for Xbox? Yep. It doesn\'t affect if Square will develop. And EA is a third party developer, that does this every generation of consoles. Its certainly good news for the Xbox, but its also not that shocking.

Im not gettin a Xbox..

The PS2 has all the good games FF series, Bouncer, GT3, ZOE, MGS2 ect. ect.

The next 5 years will be sweet (for us PS2 owners)! Until PS3 comes.. hehe

/FASTson

Originally posted by ReverendXbox
You know Sam, you really need to think before you post.  Because I wasn\'t declaring any winners, my friend.  There you go again jumping to goddam conclusions.  Read my post again...I was trying to convince Ddaryl that EA is serious about developing for Xbox because they spent $5 million dollars (I made a mistake when I put $50 million--10,000 X 500, duh!) on XDK\'s.  Even you have to agree that spending that much money on 500 XDK\'s, EA means business.  Did I say who was going to win or lose?  Ddaryl insinuated that EA wasn\'t serious about Xbox development, and I disagreed with that.  I didn\'t mention **** about PS2\'s success.  By your insisting that I did shows that you\'re worried about the overrated DVD player\'s success.

Now that I think about it, don\'t even bother re-reading my post because you aren\'t going to find anything to bitch about this time!  

You know Reverend, you need to relax before you post. :rolleyes:

I made a mistake with the $50 million (because I just believed you without researching/thinking - my mistake). The point I was trying to make was that:

You said that Sony made EA bleed money. Then it was said that EA would have 10 games ready for launch. All I did was questioning the money logic in that. So I think it seems like YOU are the worried one, my friend. I don\'t doubt that EA is commited to developing for the Xbox. All I did was questioning the money logic AT THE BEGINNING! Because it won\'t magically sell like 50 million units so EA can get all their money back from great sales from all 10 titles (if that\'s indeed true...). Of course later on they\'ll make money of the Xbox. As they will on PS2.

Then lastly I stated something about winners and loosers. That was NOT directly pointed at you Rev, so stop bitching about it. I don\'t have anything against Xbox, I just try to keep my head calm - at least until there are more hard facts (like at E3). You should try it sometime.

BTW, try re-reading my post again. Carefully this time. Now read your reply. I think you\'re just reading a little bit too much into it. Don\'t misinterpret my post on purpose Rev. I didn\'t say that YOU said anything about \'the overrated DVD-player\'. I didn\'t say EA wasn\'t commited to Xbox. So read it again - slowly - and you\'ll find that all your bitching was useless BS spawned by an obviously worried and/or insecure individual. Feel free to flame me again Rev, because you were wrong.

[Edited by Samwise on 12-14-2000 at 02:59 AM]

Look! A pure example of getting the wrong impression of a post and attacking an argument that was never there.  I was not insinuating that EA would make up what they lost from the PS2 by making Xbox games (although they could in that 6 months time period).  I was STATING HOW MICROSOFT HAS THE FULL SUPPORT OF EA!  I\'m not going to argue with you on something that was never an issue in the first place.  

P.S.  I have nothing to worry about my friend.  I have a Dreamcast and after E3 I will decide whether to invest in an Xbox.  It\'s win-win for me.  I can play the best games out right now while checking out the best that the future has to offer.  If by some weird occurance that PS2\'s showing at E3 outdoes the Xbox (shyeeah right!), then I\'ll break down and buy a PS2.  Either way, I won\'t blow $300 on a system that will go belly up.  If only the rest of you didn\'t jump on the bandwagon prematurely.

If only they didn\'t jump on the bandwagon prematurely?

Reverend, they bought the followup for the PSX.  They enjoyed Wipeout, Madden, Tekken, Ace Combat, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, ALL that crap that Sony had.  So, they simply bought the next one.  Bandwagon?  No.  They just wanted their favorite games in 128bit glory.  Same with Gamecube fans getting excited about the next Mario, Metriod, Perfect Dark.  But what about the XBox fans?  Why are we not accusing them of jumping the bandwagon prematurely?  XBox fans are purely about power - that is it.  Power of unfinalized specs.  Not too mention the unfinalized launch list (some of us buy systems for the games, not the power... we wait for confirmed game lists).  Yes, someday it will be an amazing machine.  But when you start staunchly supporting it and attacking other consoles in it\'s behalf - ONE YEAR before it launches, then you are one hell of a bandwagoner.

. If by some weird occurance that PS2\'s showing at E3 outdoes the Xbox (shyeeah right!),

WHY WOULDN\'T IT??!?  They\'ve got more developers than XBox does right now.  Yes, that could change.  But it just irks me when people spit on developers to spite the console.  You have no idea what those developers have up their sleeve.  PS2 has more developers, PS2 has more recognition in the industry, and their developers have had more time with the dev kits (dev kits which are finalized and have been finalized).  What makes you so certain that it\'s not possible that they\'ll have an impressive E3?  Didja notice Sega at last years E3?  Again, developers had more experience and more time with their dev kits.  If anything, XBox is at a disadvantage.  Plus we don\'t know what Gamecube will have.

Originally posted by ReverendXbox
Look! A pure example of getting the wrong impression of a post and attacking an argument that was never there.

Yeah, you surely know all about that... Geez.

I was not insinuating that EA would make up what they lost from the PS2 by making Xbox games (although they could in that 6 months time period).

I wasn\'t either. I was just commenting on \'how Sony made EA bleed money\' by stating a thought on how they perhaps wouldn\'t make money of Xbox right away either. It was just my opinion. So if it makes you feel better, then please tell yourself that.

I\'m not going to argue with you on something that was never an issue in the first place. [/B]

Likewise.

P.S.  I have nothing to worry about my friend.  I have a Dreamcast and after E3 I will decide whether to invest in an Xbox.  It\'s win-win for me.  I can play the best games out right now while checking out the best that the future has to offer. [/B]

Yeah, I feel the same way. I like the Sony games. And I enjoy my PS2. Just like I\'ll probably enjoy the Xbox too. So I\'ll be enjoying myself while waiting for the Xbox.

[Edited by Samwise on 12-14-2000 at 12:34 PM]

ok you win...i quit

Quitter! All those PSX games that made people who had PSone go with PS2? None of them belong to Sony! Who will do the best at E3? More than likely Nintendo or MS. Sony would have to have some big suprises to outdue 2 impending console launches. I don\'t think they will. They\'ve screwed up enough things so far, that I\'m positive they won\'t be the \'winner\' without some big changes.

Originally posted by fastson
Im not gettin a Xbox..

The PS2 has all the good games FF series, Bouncer, GT3, ZOE, MGS2 ect. ect.

The next 5 years will be sweet (for us PS2 owners)! Until PS3 comes.. hehe

/FASTson

You go girl! Or boy! Or whatever you are!

Originally posted by EThugg
Quitter! All those PSX games that made people who had PSone go with PS2? None of them belong to Sony! Who will do the best at E3? More than likely Nintendo or MS. Sony would have to have some big suprises to outdue 2 impending console launches. I don\'t think they will. They\'ve screwed up enough things so far, that I\'m positive they won\'t be the \'winner\' without some big changes.  

Hmm, well actually theres this little thing that turned out to be a massively popular driving game/simulator called "Gran Turismo" But then again, who would buy such a stupid game? Millions of people? Bah, thats nothing!

Originally posted by Solid Snake 88

Originally posted by EThugg
Quitter! All those PSX games that made people who had PSone go with PS2? None of them belong to Sony! Who will do the best at E3? More than likely Nintendo or MS. Sony would have to have some big suprises to outdue 2 impending console launches. I don\'t think they will. They\'ve screwed up enough things so far, that I\'m positive they won\'t be the \'winner\' without some big changes.  

Hmm, well actually theres this little thing that turned out to be a massively popular driving game/simulator called "Gran Turismo" But then again, who would buy such a stupid game? Millions of people? Bah, thats nothing! [/B]

OOOOHHHHHHH....a racing game! I bet MS is shaking in its boots! That\'s no reason to buy a system. Anyone who\'d buy a $300 game system for one racing franchise should be shot. And that\'s not a joke.

ETHUGG

There a ton of cool games coming out from SOny for the PS2

Wipeout Fusion
GT3
Dark Cloud
Twisted Metal Black
Dropship
The Getaway
Extermination
Ape Escape
SYphon Filter 3
Formula 1 game


and there\'s more I\'m just having a brain fart

Then we will see a ton of 3rd party games that have been in development for well over a year

Not to mention SOny 2nd party studios Naughty Dog and Insomniac which will more then likely have some cool stuff to show off.

Sony is poised to have a huge E3. And I believe Nintendo and MS will have some stuff too, but Sony will just have so much more ready to go

[Edited by ddaryl on 12-15-2000 at 01:09 AM]

Well, I don\'t deny those are highly anticipated, but only 2 of those are remotely interesting to me. I think systems that launch after E3 usually do better at E3 than the rest because of the excitment. The reason PS2 had a ****ty E3 showing this year is they had nothing new, and the system wasn\'t lining up to the hype. While I think most systems don\'t live up to the hype, MS and Nintendo haven\'t shown off much of their stuff yet, so they\'ll have to have a good showing unless their games are ****. Sony will have to have some big things to outshine 2 game lauches next year.

maybe only 2 interest you but at least 4 interst me and I\'m sure alot of others. Also there will be a ton of 3rd party games we haven\'t seen yet and Sony 2nd party games, just like it was thr DC\'s 2nd E3 this year and they had a very good E3, but Sega launch E3 wasn\'t spectacular either.

and as for Christmas 2002, no doubt in my mind its SOny\'s a price drop and a huge catalog of games will entice alot of gamers and primarily PSX owners. but its all opinion